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other underperforming mage specs didnt get any sort of love yet either. but there is still time, lets hope for the best. If Blizz makes me spec switch for a 3rd time after (practically) promising that relative power would stay the same throughout I think I will a flip a table. Hopefully my desk. Ma...

Fire cannot be simply buffed enough to compete with other specs - it needs another mechanics overhaul.

Completely disagree. There are so many tuning vectors that it's hard to see any truth to this statement. Mechanically, Fire is very good IMO.

you can still output good damage with mage utility legendaries (sephuz/timewarp ring).

Utility legendaries? That's a great frost setup.

What do you want guys? A class that is a beast regardless of encounter type? Good luck on finding one. Frost is very good in single target and 2-target situations and weak in AoE. Fire is weak at single target, average at cleave and average at AoE. Fire's only real strong point is mass-AoE which do...

Well, belt+ring is a really nice combo if you can stall first 70% and need to push the final 30% asap. But a lot of classes have much higher burst, like rogues, dh and probably others. @Kasc What dps at what ilvl do you have? Can you show some logs or at least screens? I'm really interested. https:...

I'm really disappointed with Fire at the moment. We're progressing on Augur and for the most part, I'm at the bottom. Sometimes good RNG can catapult me to the top but these happen every 1 in 10 pulls. I bust my balls timing everything as perfectly as I can and after combustion has ended I can still...

I typically cast MI at 4 sec, Meteor at 2.5-3 sec, Pre-pot, PF at around 1 sec, Combust before PF hits boss, FB -> Normal Combust Rotation. Your meteor isn't benefiting from combustion. Your mirror images are not attacking the boss for 4 seconds. This is how I start, times are only a guide and made...

Honestly I feel like I have too much haste right now. As a troll mage with 22% haste, when I get time warp and use all my cooldowns on my rotation I have to allow for a minor delay to occur between some of my casts in order for the game to realize my pyroblast should be an insta cast. Too many time...

edit: Not that it matters; without 30% damage amplification, hitting the boss with the explosion is the same as hitting the crystal (due to a bug?)

You need to re-read some of the posts here about Gorefiend. It's beneficial to have the explosion hit PC on that fight.

I did write out a post explaining the 2sec but I also came to the conclusion that it probably wasn't going to better overall after I did some napkin math. I think 4 secs in has the potential not to be clipped by explosion. The explosion happens ~1sec after the buff ends. I think 6 secs in a safer be...

Yeah, AP at start of buff, drop PC at ~2sec remaining. You will probably need to do some kind of hybrid burn-conservation mode (using AMs liberally) so that you can burn for the entire duration of PC otherwise you will have to Evocate during PC - not ideal. Not had a progress raid on Gorefiend since...

Can confirm with Gorefiend Nith explosion being fishy: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/D9q4tRZbcxhrFngy#fight=3&start=402000&end=418100&type=summary&source=23&view=events&pins=2%24Off%24%23244F4B%24damage%24-1%240.0.0.Any%2422054209.0.0.Mage%24true%240.0.0.Boss%24true%240%5E2%24Off%24%23909049%...

Thanks for the work everyone listed in the OP, and thanks Komma for drawing all that stuff together.

I assume that since the OP didn't include the (correctly) assumed icicle/PoF bug that everything is still correct and accurate after today's fix?

Is it actually a bug? It's very good for QoL.

It's misleading to say you can get 2 casts out of 1 Ice Floes charge since you can only move for the last X% of the cast.

Im late to the party - has there been any discussion in what we should be playing for each boss? Are we going to be using all 3 specs? My gut feeling is mainly arcane/frost, but maybe someone paying closer attention than me can correct me?

A more fleshed out spreadsheet by Skullflower: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =908715831" target="_blank

[ARCANE] I assume that 2PC/4PC will increase the DPET of AM by a large amount. Will it be large enough to change our gameplay? I've see some suggest that potentially AM munching at low Arcane Charge stacks is an acceptable risk, will this change that? Another situation can arise where you have 2 sta...

I can't quite believe how bad both iterations of Arcane 2PC have been. I go back to my earlier comment: Makes me wonder if the class balance team even tried the tier out. I want to be able to reply with my agreement Komma, but as an European, we are basically locked out of any meaningful discussion ...

RE: Arcane 2pc

Seems you can't just macro PoM in to AB as the cast immediately after your AB reduces the PoM CD to 0 won't activate PoM because of how ability queuing works.

Makes me wonder if the class balance team even tried the tier out.

If you're playing fire 'optimally' so that the pull happens sometime during the flight of your first spell, you've been doing this since you got these trinkets. I think changing your pre-pull spell from AB to ABar can hardly be considered an exploit. @Frosted - Why are you being hostile? If you don'...