Which spec to roll for 7.2.5

[dekkard]

Hello,
probably too early but considering the recent bluepost

“The specs I called out in the original post are those we’re planning major rotational/mechanical changes to. We’re also planning talent/balance tuning for many other specs (e.g. Fire Mage, Blood DK, others) that don’t need a mechanical overhaul but could still use some numbers love,”

and 7.2.5 patch notes with no changes to Fire, but with ones for Frost (and Arcane), e.g.

Mage
Frost
Thermal Void redesigned: Increases Icy Veins' duration by 10 seconds. Your Ice Lances against frozen targets extend your Icy Veins by an additional 1 second.

what do you think will be the best spec for raiding ToS ?

I'm still playing Fire but got some progress in both other specs and I'd like to know which to push next before it's too late.

[Causese]

Goroth - Pure ST
Demonic Inquisition - Occasional 2T
Harjatan - Occasional AoE
Mistress Sassz'ine - Occasional AoE
Sisters of the Moon - Occasional 2T
The Desolate Host - Occasional AoE
Maiden of Vigilance - Pure ST
Fallen Avatar - Occasional 2T
Kil'Jaeden - Pure ST?

Tier sets:

Arcane 2pc T19 + 4pc T20:
+burstdps, +sustaindps
+sustaindps, synergy with 4pc T20

Fire 2pc T19 + 4pc T20:
+sustaindps +burstdps, 4pc prob 100% uptime
-crap, fire will most likely drop t19

Frost 2pc T19 + 4pc T20:
+burstdps +sustaindps
+sustaindps, synergy with 4pc T20

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Arcane won't be able to equip Kilt since the slot will be used by tier set
Frost won't be able to equip gloves for the same reason

overall i'd say frost, it's still too early tbh.

they might deactivate t19 set effects though? not sure if blizzard replied to t19+t20 stacking

[Xinder]

They said they weren't going to mess with the interaction out of the gate but if it got too out of hand they would disable T19 or whatever. As for arcane, I feel like the kilt would still win out over the combo you're talking about due to how powerful it is. As for Frost with the TV change it's possible the gloves would lose enough of their value to make the combo 6PC set worth it. I don't have the gloves so I'm actually in a spot where out of the gate I could do this, which is cool.

[Causese]

They said they weren't going to mess with the interaction out of the gate but if it got too out of hand they would disable T19 or whatever. As for arcane, I feel like the kilt would still win out over the combo you're talking about due to how powerful it is. As for Frost with the TV change it's possible the gloves would lose enough of their value to make the combo 6PC set worth it. I don't have the gloves so I'm actually in a spot where out of the gate I could do this, which is cool.

hmm it seems possible that kilt outweighs 2pc if you have a high ToS procc on the remaining slot

did some sims to figure out if kilt outweighs 2pc+rhonins
https://gyazo.com/85c93af70a125448e09f9acc734fe1ee" target="_blank

but we have to keep in mind:

- t19 value will go up with t20 synergy
- the slight dps gain from t19's "cast-while-moving" (due to +10% chance to procc AM) aspect that is not covered in sims

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