Arcane Mage

Ask questions about your mage spec, talents, build, gear, or seek advice on logs encounters here! All requests to help DPS will be relocated here.
Petfood101
Posts: 41
Joined: Sat May 31, 2014 9:08 pm

Arcane Mage

Unread postby Petfood101 Sat May 31, 2014 9:14 pm

Hello, i used to make posts on Icy Veins, and Voltaa has helped me a LOT. Thanks Voltaa :)

That aside, i've got some new gear and some new logs, while my dps has improved a lot, i still feel like i can do a lot better. Earlier i could figure out the stuff i did wrong quite easily, now its become harder. I still can figure somethings out and areas where i should improve, but i do not feel like they would impact my DPS enough to do as much as i should be. Therefore i cant help but think that i'm doing something else very wrong and I need your help.

Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/r ... ood/simple

Latest Logs: http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yHctd1q9aWMj8frg

PS: Where is the line between just wanting to improve and becoming a nagging bastard? :P I'm curious, because i'm often acutely uncomfortable asking for help, because i'm perfectly aware that none of you are obligated to help me and i do NOT want to impose.

Petfood.
User avatar
Komma
Administrator
Posts: 1486
Joined: Wed May 28, 2014 7:37 pm

Re: Arcane Mage

Unread postby Komma Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:26 am

The geared ones are always the hardest to comment! Some things I noticed:

1. Your TFP kill was 6:30 but you only used AT/AP twice, although you used MI 3 times. Some mages choose to AP on pull for this reason, saving AT for when PBoI procs. This is particularly good for bosses that involve time warping on pull. Also, all 3 bosses appear to have 80%ish active time (time not spent in desperate measures), which suggests that your 60-70% uptime on NT might have some room for improvement.

2. You died to closing a rift just before Unleashed hit you. It looks like the reason is because you mistimed greater invis, which you used activated AFTER you took full damage from the rift, and unfortunately right AFTER Sha had finished his transition. For future reference, I recommend not closing a rift so soon to such a huge damage spike. :P

3. On your IJ kill, you could have saved AT/AP to sync with PBoI. This is particularly interesting because KTT procced during the entire duration of PBoI, and you would have gotten some amazing mileage out of that AT. Same goes for MI - keep in mind that it doesn't snapshot, so you can pop it right before you expect PBoI to go off CD, if you have a ICD timer. You also got hit by three mortar blasts, with the last one killing you...I imagine you got a little overexcited to max DPS after the last Shock Pulse.

4. You forgot to prepot on Dark Shamans... :oops:
Admin of Altered Time.

Have an issue with the website or moderation? Send me a PM!
Petfood101
Posts: 41
Joined: Sat May 31, 2014 9:08 pm

Re: Arcane Mage

Unread postby Petfood101 Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:38 am

I see thanks a lot for the input. I have some questions pertaining to particular things you pointed out

1. I'm not all that good with logs yet, but NT uptime says 93% overall and 60-70% for individual bosses. When i compare this to the top logs, it seems about the same, for example http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/adz ... target=179.
So what exactly do you mean when you say 60-70% uptime on NT and how do i improve it? Like just keep it up on all of the units in my boss frames? Is it worth to stop casting and actually just spend time dotting?

For all AT/AP uses, do i wait for PBoI proc? Or only when AP is glyphed? From the start of 1 proc to another seems to be almost 2 minutes often, which means that i'll have to wait anywhere between 45-60 seconds after AP/AT comes off CD to sync it with PBoI. Is that delay worth it? Normally what i do is, if the ICD on PBoI is 45+ seconds, i just wait for some RPPM proc to happen, either KTT or Meta and then just pop the cooldowns.

When you say use AP on pull, you mean even before i start building up charges? (I'm aware thats what it implies but just confirming :P )

And the Dark Shamans kill was a mispull :S.

Out of curiosity, what do you mean by the geared ones are the hardest to comment??

Thanks a lot Komma :)
User avatar
Komma
Administrator
Posts: 1486
Joined: Wed May 28, 2014 7:37 pm

Re: Arcane Mage

Unread postby Komma Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:53 am

From Vykina's log:
http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/adz ... ity=114923" target="_blank
http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/adz ... ostility=1" target="_blank

Sun's active time is pretty out of whack due to her constant damage during desperate measures, but for He Softfoot doesn't do any DOT damage, so his active time is relatively accurate. In Vykina's case, he had 54.74% NT uptime on He who had a 62.40% active time. Dividing that gives a 87.7% uptime during active. In your case:
http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yHc ... ity=114923" target="_blank
http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yHc ... ostility=1" target="_blank

He had 82.91% active time, while your NT uptime on him was 64.26%. Dividing that gives a 77.5% uptime during active, which explains why there is room to work on!

Only use sync AT/AP when when you don't lose out on an extra use. your IJ kill was 6:09, which meant you couldn't really get an extra use out of it, so you might as well sync AT/AP for the PBoI at the 4 min mark.

AP on pull before building charges, yes. I personally don't do it, but it's an option if your kill times are steadily around 6:30-7:00.

It's hard to give advice to folks who know most of the basics!
Admin of Altered Time.

Have an issue with the website or moderation? Send me a PM!
Petfood101
Posts: 41
Joined: Sat May 31, 2014 9:08 pm

Re: Arcane Mage

Unread postby Petfood101 Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:42 am

I see, thanks a lot man. Will post next weeks logs later :).Thanks again!
Shangalar
Posts: 77
Joined: Fri May 30, 2014 1:05 pm

Re: Arcane Mage

Unread postby Shangalar Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:20 am

I can't find anywhere in your logs which armor you were using, but at your haste level using Frost Armor on pure single target fights could still be more beneficial than Mage Armor.

So if you're not in the mood to just pad meters with unnecessary damage on random adds, you can use Frost Armor on Immerseus, Sha of Pride, Juggy and Malkorok. Once you get up to 11k Haste without wasting any mastery (so don't force it), then it's time for permanent mage armor.
Petfood101
Posts: 41
Joined: Sat May 31, 2014 9:08 pm

Re: Arcane Mage

Unread postby Petfood101 Sun Jun 01, 2014 12:23 pm

I see. Overall, mage armor gives me 10% damage through mastery, does that not compensate for the 2 extra ticks ill gain from using frost armor? Especially since that 10% damage applies to all my spells?
Petfood101
Posts: 41
Joined: Sat May 31, 2014 9:08 pm

Re: Arcane Mage

Unread postby Petfood101 Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:22 pm

So here are the latest logs from malkorok, spoils hc and thok hc attempts followed by a normal clear. Still feels like im lacking. I wonder if it may have something to do with my not using alter time properly cuz of the fps drop or if i just need more practice.

http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/F6Wrc87XpDkLVnjC/
User avatar
Komma
Administrator
Posts: 1486
Joined: Wed May 28, 2014 7:37 pm

Re: Arcane Mage

Unread postby Komma Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:25 am

So here are the latest logs from malkorok, spoils hc and thok hc attempts followed by a normal clear. Still feels like im lacking. I wonder if it may have something to do with my not using alter time properly cuz of the fps drop or if i just need more practice.

http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/F6Wrc87XpDkLVnjC/
???

I only see a normal clear of Thok->Garrosh. You also used frost bomb on Siegecrafter, so there isn't much to analyse there either! Can't spot anything particularly wrong from a quick look.
Admin of Altered Time.

Have an issue with the website or moderation? Send me a PM!
Petfood101
Posts: 41
Joined: Sat May 31, 2014 9:08 pm

Re: Arcane Mage

Unread postby Petfood101 Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:40 am

*sigh*

I have no idea why that happened :S

There is supposed to be a spoils and malk kill as well Q_Q.

Oh well, next time then. The frost bomb was a mistake, used it on trash and forgot to change XD.

I think my biggest issue is placing rune of power properly, as in i lose a lot while moving around, and ideal time to refresh bombs is 2 seconds and under right?
User avatar
Komma
Administrator
Posts: 1486
Joined: Wed May 28, 2014 7:37 pm

Re: Arcane Mage

Unread postby Komma Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:51 am

*sigh*

I have no idea why that happened :S

There is supposed to be a spoils and malk kill as well Q_Q.

Oh well, next time then. The frost bomb was a mistake, used it on trash and forgot to change XD.

I think my biggest issue is placing rune of power properly, as in i lose a lot while moving around, and ideal time to refresh bombs is 2 seconds and under right?
The problem with your log is...
1. Most of them were normal kills, which don't offer too much of a challenge to have decent uptime on.
2. You used Frost bomb on Siegecrafter, which doesn't work with bomb "Uptime" due to the cooldown.
3. Garrosh has intermission phases, which makes it hard to analyse uptime for RoP/LB.
4. You weren't in on Thok!

Therefore, without extensive analysis of the logs, it's rather hard to tell how well you did. Judging from Garrosh though, I only noticed two lengthy blank periods of RoP, which should correspond to the intermissions. I'd call that a decent performance - only to be expected from someone who is already 9/14H!
Admin of Altered Time.

Have an issue with the website or moderation? Send me a PM!
Petfood101
Posts: 41
Joined: Sat May 31, 2014 9:08 pm

Re: Arcane Mage

Unread postby Petfood101 Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:34 pm

Ah.. I hope its as fine :P Next raid is tomorrow, will log everything and post it. The problem is theres this arcane mage in the guild and his opener almost always is waaaaaay better than mine and mostly even the overall dps.

Idk how much of a difference gear makes but this is his armory

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/r ... ril/simple

And this is mine:
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/r ... ood/simple

The difference sometimes seems too big. Atleast i think so but not sure.

Return to “Post Questions & Ask for Help >>Here!<<”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 16 guests