[Discussion] Patch 6.2 PTR

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[Discussion] Patch 6.2 PTR

Unread postby Komma Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:01 am

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Mage changes:

Amplify Magic has been removed.
Flameglow is now capped at 20% of the attack, down from 30%.
Prismatic Crystal is now attackable by pets and guardians.

Arcane
- Mastery: Mana Adept has reduced in effectiveness by 6%.
- Arcane Missles now deals 10% more damage.

Fire
- Pyroblast DOT effect now deals 15% less damage.
- 2T17 has been changed to "Reduces the cooldown of Inferno Blast's by 2 seconds" : http://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=165458/ite ... e-2p-bonus" target="_blank

Frost
- Mastery: Icicles is now 13% more effective.
- Brain Freeze now has a 15% increased chance to trigger on each multistrike (down from 25%).
- Frostbolt, Frostfire bolt now deal 20% more damage.
- Fingers of Frost now increases Ice Lance damage by 140%, up from 100%. (On top of the 2x bonus against Frozen targets.)
- Mastery now also increases damage done by Water Jet.

Class specific trinket: http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=124516/boss-13-mage-trinket" target="_blank
- Arcane: Wild Arcanist - Arcane Power also increases the damage and reduces the cast time and global cooldown of Arcane Blast by 27.45%
- Fire: Pyrosurge - Inferno Blast has a 75.76% chance to also cast a Flamestrike at the target's location.
- Frost: Shatterlance - Ice Lances cast immediately following a Frostbolt deal 93.54% more damage.
(Numbers increase as itemlevel increases)

New Set bonuses:
- Arcane 2T18: http://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=186166" target="_blank . Pets inherit 500% of spell power as attack power and spell power.
- Arcane 4T18: http://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=186165" target="_blank
- Fire 2T18: http://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=186167" target="_blank . Phoenix damage is 399% of spell power.
- Fire 4T18: http://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=186168" target="_blank
- Frost 2T18: http://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=185969" target="_blank
- Frost 4T18: http://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=185971" target="_blank . NOTE: Hotfixed to increase Water Jet by 10 seconds, to a total of 14 seconds.

Source: http://www.wowhead.com/news=247149/6-2-ptr-patch-notes" target="_blank
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Re: [Discussion] Patch 6.2 PTR - Build 19890

Unread postby nickseng Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:26 am

The notes don't look particularly complete. I assume they will give us something in return for taking away Amplify Magic.
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Re: [Discussion] Patch 6.2 PTR - Build 19890

Unread postby Frosted Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:34 am

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Preliminary numbers. Don't be fucking retards.

Red = 6.1

green = 6.2

Diff = ( new / old - 1 ) * 100. So it's a percent.
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Re: [Discussion] Patch 6.2 PTR - Build 19890

Unread postby Charmander! Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:49 am

They really like nerfing brain freeze for some reason.
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Re: [Discussion] Patch 6.2 PTR - Build 19890

Unread postby Frosted Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:57 am

Confirmed the changes in the 6.2 notes are done in a manner that should be how blizz did it (multiplicative, not additive)
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Re: [Discussion] Patch 6.2 PTR - Build 19890

Unread postby Komma Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:58 am

Confirmed the changes in the 6.2 notes are done in a manner that should be how blizz did it (multiplicative, not additive)
Confirming this. From testing with naked values, the mastery changes work exactly as we expected - direct multiplication to the value. In other words, arcane_damage = base_damage * (1 + mana_level * old_mastery * 0.94) and icicle_size = old_icicle_size * 1.13.

This also means that Frosted's single target values are what I'm getting as well. The change looks incomplete; I don't really see a reason for a Frost single target nerf. There might be something else that got changed drastically.
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Re: [Discussion] Patch 6.2 PTR - Build 19890

Unread postby Frosted Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:00 am

I checked for additional MS events for Frost and didnt notice any. So either something drastic isn't in, or is kind of subtle and we'll need to be told.

Or, it's just the first iteration! Which is probably more true.
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Re: [Discussion] Patch 6.2 PTR - Build 19890

Unread postby Snobby Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:46 am

So I realize the official patch notes say that "Arcane Missles now deals 10% more damage." But the diffstatesque spell changes mmo-champion does has:

Arcane Missiles Launches five waves of Arcane Missiles at the enemy over 2 sec, causing [ 1 + 25.9% 23.31% of Spell Power ] Arcane damage per wave.

Which is exactly a 10% nerf right? Which set of notes do you guys feel more reflects whats live on the PTR currently?
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Re: [Discussion] Patch 6.2 PTR - Build 19890

Unread postby Komma Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:02 am

That's pretty interesting. A 10% nerf might make sense. Maybe the patch notes had it mixed up.
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Re: [Discussion] Patch 6.2 PTR - Build 19890

Unread postby JIMM Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:10 am

hi komma, by the looks of the tier 18 bonus for Fire spec n PTR notes, is it safe to assume fire BIS in next patch will include T17 2piece + T18 2piece ?

Planning to coin every shoulder n glove tokens until i get warforged + socket to prepare myself for the next patch.
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Re: [Discussion] Patch 6.2 PTR - Build 19890

Unread postby Deft Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:11 am

Thoughts on the trinkets? The mage class-specific one looks disgustingly good for arcane so far, and supposedly the fire effect is that inferno blast summons a flamestrike below the target.

http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=124516/boss ... et&bonus=0" target="_blank

Also these are the other int dps trinkets with some thoughts..

1. Relatively shit: http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=124545/boss ... et&bonus=0" target="_blank

2. Decent for fire: http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=124227/boss ... -1&bonus=0" target="_blank

3. Probably BiS for arcane: http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=124228/boss ... -2&bonus=0" target="_blank

4. Laser show: http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=124229/boss ... -3&bonus=0" target="_blank

5. Frost bomb effect: http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=124230/boss ... -4&bonus=0" target="_blank

Seems like we'll be gunning for the mage trinket along with #2 and #3 for fire/arcane respectively.
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Re: [Discussion] Patch 6.2 PTR - Build 19890

Unread postby Frosted Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:18 am

Mage trinket is meh.
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Re: [Discussion] Patch 6.2 PTR - Build 19890

Unread postby Komma Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:21 am

The class specific ones are pretty terrible. Keep in mind that the Arcane one has no mana cost reduction, which means it plays really poorly with glyphed Arcane Power. Also, whatever value it has, it needs to deliver it all within the limited timeframe of AP.

All the stat trinkets range from OK to pretty strong for Fire. Blacklight is basically BiS for everyone. Mark of Doom is exceptionally strong for Arcane and Frost, but not that great for Fire.

Also: Arcane Missiles appears to have received a 10% nerf on PTR, instead of 10% buff. The calculated spell coefficient is ~23.3% per tick. Patch notes have probably made a mistake.
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Re: [Discussion] Patch 6.2 PTR - Build 19890

Unread postby Frosted Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:21 am

Arcane Missiles were actually nerfed, not buffed. Above guy is right.

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Re: [Discussion] Patch 6.2 PTR - Build 19890

Unread postby Imnick Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:33 am

The notes don't look particularly complete. I assume they will give us something in return for taking away Amplify Magic.
Why would they do that? They're taking away the one they gave to Hunters too. Rogues are probably next.
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Re: [Discussion] Patch 6.2 PTR - Build 19890

Unread postby danksch Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:36 pm

So it is goodbye top of the charts then?

MOD: While technically on topic, this post doesn't really help anyone. Can we keep the discussion to the patch notes or personal in PTR experience. Thanks.
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Re: [Discussion] Patch 6.2 PTR - Build 19890

Unread postby jjflipped Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:15 pm

~4.2% nerf to arcane and ~0.1% nerf to fire ST, before both scaling even more out of control with 725 gear leaves us pretty well off IMHO. The tier bonuses don't appear to be as good, but that arcane trinket seems unreal good.
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Re: [Discussion] Patch 6.2 PTR - Build 19890

Unread postby danksch Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:20 pm

~4.2% nerf to arcane and ~0.1% nerf to fire ST, before both scaling even more out of control with 725 gear leaves us pretty well off IMHO. The tier bonuses don't appear to be as good, but that arcane trinket seems unreal good.
Makes me wonder if it's Fire all the way then, ST + AoE fights.
Also taking into account the removal of Aspect of the Fox, which could hurt Arcane in potential upcoming heavy-movement fights (at least making it a lot more uncomfortable than Fire in comparison).
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Re: [Discussion] Patch 6.2 PTR - Build 19890

Unread postby Mortiferus Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:28 pm

Makes me wonder if it's Fire all the way then, ST + AoE fights.
I think this will, as always, depend on the itemization in HFC. If Mastery is once again heavily favored, then I believe the status quo will be maintained—Arcane for ST, Fire for Cleave/AoE. But if gear were to feature Crit more heavily, and depending on the Fire 4PC, it could be that Fire becomes best in almost all scenarios.

This is all speculation for now, until we are able to sim in HFC BiS gear with the set bonuses. But my knee-jerk reaction is that the loss of the T17 Fire bonuses will make that spec underperform Arcane on ST.
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Re: [Discussion] Patch 6.2 PTR - Build 19890

Unread postby Komma Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:37 pm

I don't think Frosted's values took the Pyroblast DOT nerf into account. We didn't have PTR client data yet last night, and it wasn't listed in patch notes. It's probably a bit more than the 0.1% difference, which was mostly statistical noise.
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