Felmouth Frenzy (A very silly fish)

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Felmouth Frenzy (A very silly fish)

Unread postby Frosted Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:19 pm

Had questions about this silly fish recently, so I decided to do some work on it.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/guilds/usercalendar/16646" target="_blank - some of the logs for it here (nothing interesting, just data)

I gathered around 350 fel_lash (named felmouth_frenzy_damage in simc) impacs at 5 spellpower levels. I also investigated the effects of player modifiers (versatility, rune of power, IF, arcane mastery) and target modifiers (prismatic crystal). From this, here is how Felmouth Frenzy works.

So, Felmouth frenzy:
1) scales with SP. The spell data says it shouldn't but it very clearly does.

2) does NOT scale with Rune of Power, Incanters Flow, Arcane Mastery or Versatility. I believe it ignores ALL player modifiers, and scales ONLY off your current spell power.

3) snapshots your spell power. Unlike Arcane Missiles which updates with each missile sent out, Felmouth frenzy will snapshot whatever spell power you have at the moment it begins shooting out bolts for all of its bolts.

4) is affected by target modifiers. Prismatic crystal will amplify its damage done. Probably also gets amp'd by the vulnerability phase of gorefiend.

5) works off of RPPM. 2rppm+haste.

Here is some of the data, and the fitted equation used to give SimC the information it needs to model the damage and SP scaling:

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As of now, it's available for mages to use in SimC. Here are some results:

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76763 50.1% Mage_Frost_T18H_felmouth 76599 49.9% Mage_Frost_T18H 76484 50.1% Mage_Arcane_T18H_felmouth 76275 49.9% Mage_Arcane_T18H 59447 50.0% Mage_Fire_T18H_felmouth 59413 50.0% Mage_Fire_T18H

NOTE OF CAUTION! The base implementation of Felmouth frenzy in SimC is using base damage from data gathered for AP users, not SP users. The base damage is significantly different. I overrode the base spell for mages specifically in order to correct our base damage, and accurately model it for mages. Other casters will not be modeling the damage of this silly fish correctly because of this.

Update: Felmouth Frenzy is now functional for all specs and classes.
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Re: Felmouth Frenzy (A very silly fish)

Unread postby Chiv Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:09 pm

Time to go fishing
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Unread postby Frosted Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:20 pm

Time to go fishing
They are so easy to fish too :)
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Re: Felmouth Frenzy (A very silly fish)

Unread postby Stressball Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:53 pm

I assume your comparisons to the T18H profiles are Felmouth vs the appropriate 125 food buff?
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Unread postby gameorg Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:55 pm

A fellow mage brought in the question: Does the fish trigger mark of doom and if so, is this already in the comparison?
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Unread postby Frosted Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:01 am

I assume your comparisons to the T18H profiles are Felmouth vs the appropriate 125 food buff?
Yup. It's the default profile for each spec, which uses the appropriate food, vs. a copy/paste of that profile with the food swapped to felmouth frenzy.
A fellow mage brought in the question: Does the fish trigger mark of doom and if so, is this already in the comparison?
No. Procs do not proc MoD.
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Unread postby Vexim Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:05 am

Thanks Frosted, will sim my mage tonight and see if my spellpower is high enough for this to be viable over the +125 food. At my gear level I'm sceptical. I'm sure as i progress through HFC a bit more i will switch.
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Unread postby shadowpat Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:23 pm

Can you post the simcrafts how this is affecting a Panda mage?

(I am not good at simcrafts)
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Unread postby Darthy Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:58 pm

I tested it as arcane today and every procc hit 5 times for 3k each (selfbuffed) but due to its low procc ratio (or me being unlucky, i played 5 times a 3 minute rotation) it was only around 1,2% of my damage which compared to 125* (my mastery value) would be an increase in dps of 1,1%. I was not able to bind the felmout procc into the simcraft since chaging the bufffood type did nothing for me :D So for now your conclusion is since it doesnt scale with anyhting but SP so set bonus etc doest matter, once you got a decent itemlevel simply use it?
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Re: Felmouth Frenzy (A very silly fish)

Unread postby Frosted Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:20 pm

Can you post the simcrafts how this is affecting a Panda mage?

(I am not good at simcrafts)
It doesn't.
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Re: Felmouth Frenzy (A very silly fish)

Unread postby Mageski Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:12 pm

Can you post the simcrafts how this is affecting a Panda mage?

(I am not good at simcrafts)
It doesn't.
I think the question is more, is it still better if you're a Panda? I'll sim it when I get home tonight if someone doesn't beat me to it.

If it is, a race change may be in order.
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Re: Felmouth Frenzy (A very silly fish)

Unread postby Frosted Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:04 pm

Can you post the simcrafts how this is affecting a Panda mage?

(I am not good at simcrafts)
It doesn't.
I think the question is more, is it still better if you're a Panda? I'll sim it when I get home tonight if someone doesn't beat me to it.

If it is, a race change may be in order.
I think one of the mages in IRC is a panada and sim'd it showing that panda was about equal...? I'm not 100% sure, might be worth re-doing your self with the current Nightly.
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Re: Felmouth Frenzy (A very silly fish)

Unread postby Intervir Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:49 pm

Also, we have to list what triggers it`s effect. I know that It seens to not work with Ice Lance cleaves.

However if it works with something like ignite and cast multiple shadowbolts when it has been spread, it will be a nice dps gain.

edit: Iron Reaver
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bV ... Hj#fight=3" target="_blank
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Re: Felmouth Frenzy (A very silly fish)

Unread postby Maliffic Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:25 pm

Trying to sim felmouth but it keeps saying invalid food, where do I change it to make it felmouth?
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Re: Felmouth Frenzy (A very silly fish)

Unread postby Stressball Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:49 pm

Did you download the most recent nightly build? It won't be in the release version on the front page.
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Re: Felmouth Frenzy (A very silly fish)

Unread postby Maliffic Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:56 pm

Aah thanks I was using the wrong version
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Re: Felmouth Frenzy (A very silly fish)

Unread postby Chubbed Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:42 pm

I'm not seeing where I can set the type of food in Simcraft, can someone point me in the right direction?
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Re: Felmouth Frenzy (A very silly fish)

Unread postby Frosted Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:19 pm

in the precombat sub-APL
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Re: Felmouth Frenzy (A very silly fish)

Unread postby Chubbed Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:54 pm

in the precombat sub-APL
I found it, thanks.
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Re: Felmouth Frenzy (A very silly fish)

Unread postby waltert111 Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:19 pm

Does this fish proc have a max or average PPM?

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