[BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)

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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for 8.0 (BfA pre-patch) - TLDR version

Unread postby Conatus78 Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:41 am

Thanks so much for the guide, Dutchmagoz.

I have a question about the order of the burn phase. Why should we cast Arcane Power before Presence of Mind? It seems that with the global cooldown, we should cast PoM first, so that we don't have two GCDs during AP. I usually try to setup my own burn phase so that I can cast PoM, ABarr, and CU just as AP comes off of cooldown. That would seem to maximize the buff from the tier 21 buffs, and then maximize casting time during AP.

Edit: I just realized that PoM doesn't have a GCD. So I guess it can be cast simultaneously to the first AP AB.
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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for 8.0 (BfA pre-patch) - TLDR version

Unread postby Dutchmagoz Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:34 pm

Thanks so much for the guide, Dutchmagoz.

I have a question about the order of the burn phase. Why should we cast Arcane Power before Presence of Mind? It seems that with the global cooldown, we should cast PoM first, so that we don't have two GCDs during AP. I usually try to setup my own burn phase so that I can cast PoM, ABarr, and CU just as AP comes off of cooldown. That would seem to maximize the buff from the tier 21 buffs, and then maximize casting time during AP.

Edit: I just realized that PoM doesn't have a GCD. So I guess it can be cast simultaneously to the first AP AB.
As you realized, PoM is off the GCD. You can cast it before/during/after AP, it does't really matter.
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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for 8.0 (BfA pre-patch) - TLDR version

Unread postby Nibbler Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:27 pm

Anyone knows the dmg by each race for arcane mage?
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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for 8.0 (BfA pre-patch) - TLDR version

Unread postby Dutchmagoz Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:42 pm

Anyone knows the dmg by each race for arcane mage?
I updated the guide for level 120, and it also contains race sims now.
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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for 8.0 (BfA pre-patch) - TLDR version

Unread postby Nibbler Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:17 pm

Anyone knows the dmg by each race for arcane mage?
I updated the guide for level 120, and it also contains race sims now.
Thx u a lot! What a surprise to see Dwarf at the bottom, sadly im human and he isnt in a much better position :cry: , time to rerroll to dark iron dwarf!
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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)

Unread postby Sie Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:10 pm

The reason dwarf is at the bottom has to do with your low stats at 120. Extra crit damage isn't valuable if you have a low crit chance to begin with. In later tiers, I expect dwarf will end up on top again.
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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)

Unread postby plzlemme Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:34 am

When Arcane Power comes back up during the Arcane Pressure "execute phase" , does that alter the rotation at all?
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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)

Unread postby Dutchmagoz Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:17 am

When Arcane Power comes back up during the Arcane Pressure "execute phase" , does that alter the rotation at all?
Nope. You still cast arcane barrage after reaching 4 Arcane Charges during Arcane Power.
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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)

Unread postby Bonoboi Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:52 pm

What about trinkets, is the darkmoon deck any good for arcane?
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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)

Unread postby plzlemme Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:56 pm

What about trinkets, is the darkmoon deck any good for arcane?
You should always sim to be sure, but to answer your question, no, it's pretty bad right now.
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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)

Unread postby Dutchmagoz Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:33 pm

Updated the guide for the latest hotfixes. (Arcane pressure no longer scaling mastery from arcane chages)
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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)

Unread postby onealz Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:38 pm

Updated the guide for the latest hotfixes. (Arcane pressure no longer scaling with arcane charges)
Where is the patch note for this hotfix, dont see it anywhere It still says it is scailing in the trait description.
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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)

Unread postby Dutchmagoz Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:18 am

Updated the guide for the latest hotfixes. (Arcane pressure no longer scaling with arcane charges)
Where is the patch note for this hotfix, dont see it anywhere It still says it is scailing in the trait description.
I worded improperly, updated the message now. It no longer scales with mastery from arcane charges, still scales with arcane charges.
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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)

Unread postby plzlemme Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:11 am

Is there any number of targets with 3 "Explosive Echo" azurite traits where you would just spam Arcane Explosion endlessly?
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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)

Unread postby Sosaria Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:53 am

You'd spam Arcane Explosion at 3+ targets due to Reverberation talent.

I'd still wouldn't use Arcane Explosion endlessly on number below 3 targets regardless if I had 3x Explosive Echo traits methinks...
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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)

Unread postby plzlemme Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:23 am

You'd spam Arcane Explosion at 3+ targets due to Reverberation talent.

I'd still wouldn't use Arcane Explosion endlessly on number below 3 targets regardless if I had 3x Explosive Echo traits methinks...
I meant how many targets does it take to remove barrage from the rotation and just spam explosion, afaik you still barrage when you get to 4 charges on 3 targets.
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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)

Unread postby Cobalt314 Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:02 am

You'd spam Arcane Explosion at 3+ targets due to Reverberation talent.

I'd still wouldn't use Arcane Explosion endlessly on number below 3 targets regardless if I had 3x Explosive Echo traits methinks...
I meant how many targets does it take to remove barrage from the rotation and just spam explosion, afaik you still barrage when you get to 4 charges on 3 targets.
I don't think any number of targets removes Barrage from the equation; your mana would drain too quickly to spam AE while evocate is on cd
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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)

Unread postby plzlemme Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:31 am

You'd spam Arcane Explosion at 3+ targets due to Reverberation talent.

I'd still wouldn't use Arcane Explosion endlessly on number below 3 targets regardless if I had 3x Explosive Echo traits methinks...
I meant how many targets does it take to remove barrage from the rotation and just spam explosion, afaik you still barrage when you get to 4 charges on 3 targets.
I don't think any number of targets removes Barrage from the equation; your mana would drain too quickly to spam AE while evocate is on cd
I was thinking more like m+ parameters where you have the ability to drink and evocate more liberally, at what target number is it a dps gain to stop using barrage, ignoring mana.
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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)

Unread postby Cobalt314 Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:56 am



I meant how many targets does it take to remove barrage from the rotation and just spam explosion, afaik you still barrage when you get to 4 charges on 3 targets.
I don't think any number of targets removes Barrage from the equation; your mana would drain too quickly to spam AE while evocate is on cd
I was thinking more like m+ parameters where you have the ability to drink and evocate more liberally, at what target number is it a dps gain to stop using barrage, ignoring mana.
Ah, I see, my bad. In that case, based on some very terrible napkin math, I found that the magic number is 7. Someone should double check my math, cause I'm 85% sure I made a terrible assumption somewhere.
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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)

Unread postby Amarthys Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:32 pm

Helo, thanks for this guide.
I have a question about caps:
Crit, haste and mastery?
How much is the ideal?

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