[7.1.5] Fire mage guide for Legion, by Rinoa

[Lahrast]

excellent guide, although the classtrinket is easily usable as of 21.7.16, did a full run today and never got anywhere near beeing oom (i have 1700 haste, yes too much i know!)
Flamepatch still being bugged hurts it's dps tho, didn't hurt my overall dps raidwise meteor is very weak and tbh should be buffed but that that's another story i guess

[Hillo]

What's the Flamepatch bug people are talking about? Does it affect damage or something?

[Chill666]

Can confirm. Flame patch seems to be fixed

Flamestrike hits, some patch ticks. pyro starts casting, more ticks, Pyro cast success

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7/22 03:08:39.507 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,Player-3692-054898FA,"Chillkröté-Eredar",0x511,0x0,0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,2120,"Flamestrike",0x4,0000000000000000,0000000000000000,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.00,0.00,0 7/22 03:08:39.507 SPELL_DAMAGE,Player-3692-054898FA,"Chillkröté-Eredar",0x511,0x0,Creature-0-3103-1153-18384-87762-000011713A,"Raider's Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,205472,"Flame Patch",0x4,0000000000000000,0000000000000000,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.00,0.00,0,626,-1,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil 7/22 03:08:39.507 SPELL_DAMAGE,Player-3692-054898FA,"Chillkröté-Eredar",0x511,0x0,Creature-0-3103-1153-18384-87761-000011713A,"Dungeoneer's Training Dummy",0xa28,0x0,205472,"Flame Patch",0x4,0000000000000000,0000000000000000,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.00,0.00,0,626,-1,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil 7/22 03:08:39.507 SPELL_DAMAGE,Player-3692-054898FA,"Chillkröté-Eredar",0x511,0x0,Creature-0-3103-1153-18384-87760-000011713A,"Training Dummy",0xa28,0x0,205472,"Flame Patch",0x4,0000000000000000,0000000000000000,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.00,0.00,0,1252,-1,4,0,0,0,1,nil,nil 7/22 03:08:39.564 SPELL_CAST_START,Player-3692-054898FA,"Chillkröté-Eredar",0x511,0x0,0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,11366,"Pyroblast",0x4 7/22 03:08:40.509 SPELL_DAMAGE,Player-3692-054898FA,"Chillkröté-Eredar",0x511,0x0,Creature-0-3103-1153-18384-87762-000011713A,"Raider's Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,205472,"Flame Patch",0x4,0000000000000000,0000000000000000,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.00,0.00,0,626,-1,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil 7/22 03:08:40.509 SPELL_DAMAGE,Player-3692-054898FA,"Chillkröté-Eredar",0x511,0x0,Creature-0-3103-1153-18384-87761-000011713A,"Dungeoneer's Training Dummy",0xa28,0x0,205472,"Flame Patch",0x4,0000000000000000,0000000000000000,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.00,0.00,0,626,-1,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil 7/22 03:08:40.509 SPELL_DAMAGE,Player-3692-054898FA,"Chillkröté-Eredar",0x511,0x0,Creature-0-3103-1153-18384-87760-000011713A,"Training Dummy",0xa28,0x0,205472,"Flame Patch",0x4,0000000000000000,0000000000000000,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.00,0.00,0,626,-1,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil 7/22 03:08:44.064 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,Player-3692-054898FA,"Chillkröté-Eredar",0x511,0x0,Creature-0-3103-1153-18384-87762-000011713A,"Raider's Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,11366,"Pyroblast",0x4,0000000000000000,0000000000000000,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.00,0.00,0

Same with Iceblock. Strike hits, some ticks, iceblock, more ticks, iceblock ends

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7/22 03:21:39.731 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,Player-3692-054898FA,"Chillkröté-Eredar",0x511,0x0,0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,2120,"Flamestrike",0x4,0000000000000000,0000000000000000,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.00,0.00,0 7/22 03:21:39.749 SPELL_DAMAGE,Player-3692-054898FA,"Chillkröté-Eredar",0x511,0x0,Creature-0-3103-1153-18384-87762-000011713A,"Raider's Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,205472,"Flame Patch",0x4,0000000000000000,0000000000000000,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.00,0.00,0,1253,-1,4,0,0,0,1,nil,nil 7/22 03:21:39.749 SPELL_DAMAGE,Player-3692-054898FA,"Chillkröté-Eredar",0x511,0x0,Creature-0-3103-1153-18384-87761-000011713A,"Dungeoneer's Training Dummy",0xa28,0x0,205472,"Flame Patch",0x4,0000000000000000,0000000000000000,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.00,0.00,0,626,-1,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil 7/22 03:21:39.749 SPELL_DAMAGE,Player-3692-054898FA,"Chillkröté-Eredar",0x511,0x0,Creature-0-3103-1153-18384-87760-000011713A,"Training Dummy",0xa28,0x0,205472,"Flame Patch",0x4,0000000000000000,0000000000000000,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.00,0.00,0,1253,-1,4,0,0,0,1,nil,nil 7/22 03:21:40.286 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,Player-3692-054898FA,"Chillkröté-Eredar",0x511,0x0,Player-3692-054898FA,"Chillkröté-Eredar",0x511,0x0,45438,"Ice Block",0x10,BUFF 7/22 03:21:40.286 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,Player-3692-054898FA,"Chillkröté-Eredar",0x511,0x0,0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x80000000,45438,"Ice Block",0x10,0000000000000000,0000000000000000,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.00,0.00,0 7/22 03:21:40.753 SPELL_DAMAGE,Player-3692-054898FA,"Chillkröté-Eredar",0x511,0x0,Creature-0-3103-1153-18384-87762-000011713A,"Raider's Training Dummy",0x10a28,0x0,205472,"Flame Patch",0x4,0000000000000000,0000000000000000,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.00,0.00,0,627,-1,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil 7/22 03:21:40.753 SPELL_DAMAGE,Player-3692-054898FA,"Chillkröté-Eredar",0x511,0x0,Creature-0-3103-1153-18384-87761-000011713A,"Dungeoneer's Training Dummy",0xa28,0x0,205472,"Flame Patch",0x4,0000000000000000,0000000000000000,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.00,0.00,0,626,-1,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil 7/22 03:21:40.753 SPELL_DAMAGE,Player-3692-054898FA,"Chillkröté-Eredar",0x511,0x0,Creature-0-3103-1153-18384-87760-000011713A,"Training Dummy",0xa28,0x0,205472,"Flame Patch",0x4,0000000000000000,0000000000000000,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.00,0.00,0,626,-1,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil /22 03:21:50.307 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,Player-3692-054898FA,"Chillkröté-Eredar",0x511,0x0,Player-3692-054898FA,"Chillkröté-Eredar",0x511,0x0,45438,"Ice Block",0x10,BUFF

[Telomir]

Just need that RoP fix and we'll be alright.

[prateems]

Just need that RoP fix and we'll be alright.

ROP fix?

Also there's still no fix yet for TOSW's mana consumption on Flamestrike cast

[Piken]

Mana use ToSW has been in for more then a day. I had zero mana issues pushing fire blasts as much as possible with a lot of procs.

[Sturmcantor]

Cross posting from MMO-C:

Details on the Rune bug: if two mages cast Rune while in combat and within 8 yards of each other (i.e. the Runes will overlap) the mage who casted it second doesn't receive the buff. Running off the Rune and back on does not fix it. Casting the Runes in a non-overlapping position works fine, as does casting them out of combat.

Also I still definitely can run oom on dummies using ToSW.

[Lammer]

another possible bug: ToSW does not proc Flamestrike (which consequently does not proc Flame Patch) when casting Fire Blast. It happened on the next pull after the instance got suddenly reset in mid-fight and everyone was kicked out of the game

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Pk ... amage-done" target="_blank

[Thisgame]

another possible bug: ToSW does not proc Flamestrike (which consequently does not proc Flame Patch) when casting Fire Blast. It happened on the next pull after the instance got suddenly reset in mid-fight and everyone was kicked out of the game

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Pk ... amage-done" target="_blank

I don't know the language so I can't delve too deeply into it, but ToSW does not have 100% chance to proc Flamestrike. It was working for me fine earlier tonight : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1X ... &source=11" target="_blank

Though with that said...can anyone comment on the total lack of Flame Patch damage? Is it just getting counted as something else on WCL due to the newness of it?

[taroboba]

Was messing around with different setups in my garrison, and was pleasantly surprised to see 1M openers still happen. Made a quick YT clip, but only managed 900k+ during recording. Openers seem pretty consistent with the setup I used, didn't think we could still burst so hard. Here's the clip if you want to check it out, shoutout to Rinoa's great guide at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzH54DaJJW4" target="_blank

[LaplaceNoMa]

okay figured out some opener for rankings



I'm, done with openers now

That first fire blast was a gamble though, wasn't it? If the scorch didn't crit it would've fallen apart, also wasting several seconds of RoP...

[Causese]

okay figured out some opener for rankings



I'm, done with openers now

That first fire blast was a gamble though, wasn't it? If the scorch didn't crit it would've fallen apart, also wasting several seconds of RoP...

you have to use combust+fireblast at the end of very first scorch so both will crit 100% since combustion is off gcd

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goddamit you are correct. i was too slow and it was gamble---

you might have to use beserking (racial) right after rop and then pop bl+scorch to fit that last pyro in
totally forgot that berserking can't be used while casting

[Unreal]

Should have used ring so we could actually tell if these openers are good or not. I'll try it out once I'm at home, looks pretty promising tbh

[Lavok]

A question about Kindling and Flame On (and RoP by consequence) came to mind. When you reach a high level of crit, your combustion cd will actually get pushed pretty far below the 1min30sec mark that would line it up with Flame On especially on pull with BL. Would it in this scenario sim higher to delay the Flame On to when Combustion comes off cd, which makes you sit on Flame On charge for like 20 sec rather than delay Combustion in order to get a RoP/Flame combo at the 45sec mark? This is obviously very fight length and mechanic dependent in relation to how many combusts you can get out, but I was wondering if there would be some general guidelines for this.

[Unreal]

A question about Kindling and Flame On (and RoP by consequence) came to mind. When you reach a high level of crit, your combustion cd will actually get pushed pretty far below the 1min30sec mark that would line it up with Flame On especially on pull with BL. Would it in this scenario sim higher to delay the Flame On to when Combustion comes off cd, which makes you sit on Flame On charge for like 20 sec rather than delay Combustion in order to get a RoP/Flame combo at the 45sec mark? This is obviously very fight length and mechanic dependent in relation to how many combusts you can get out, but I was wondering if there would be some general guidelines for this.

This brings also to mind that you could theoretically push your combustion cd pretty low using scorch only.

[Frosted]

I don't know, why don't you try simming it or doing something other than imagining it.

[Unreal]

I don't know, why don't you try simming it or doing something other than imagining it.

Because, as the previous post to what you quoted implies, I'm not at home.

I mainly wanted to complement his post with the addition of using scorch to lower your cd even further.

Edit: Removed the guess I made from my previous post because claims like that require some sort of evidence

[Lavok]

I don't know, why don't you try simming it or doing something other than imagining it.

Not sure if you are replying to my post or the one after it, but the purpose here was simply to put some questions up for discussion and get feedback from people who actually have the know-how to effectively test this in simcraft.

[Causese]

okay i figured out my opener

remember you can't use racial/potion while casting so use pot before rop and racial after rop along with bl and ring

this opener is for ring at 0:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM9ZxFnaiYc" target="_blank

used int potion after rop but doesn't really affect anything seen on the clip

edit: this is how to reset cooldowns to practice opener more efficiently
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEJnvHdZHlw" target="_blank

[Dikembe]

okay i figured out my opener

remember you can't use racial/potion while casting so use pot before rop and racial after rop along with bl and ring

this opener is for ring at 0:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM9ZxFnaiYc" target="_blank

used int potion after rop but doesn't really affect anything seen on the clip

Why do you switch to Fireball+Pyro during your second Rune of Power? I'm guessing it's just a precaution in case SMP alone won't guarantee you a Scorch crit.