[7.2] Fire Talents, Trinkets, Racials, Stats, Legendary

[Xenost]

Yeah it makes more sense that way, my bad.

[Frosted]

To confirm, CM does not interact with Enhanced Pyrotechnics.

I'll get the OP here updated by the weekend. But the nerf was pretty small.

[Kyt]

The Sun King bracers on live says 300% increased pyroblast damage. I always thought it was 200%.

Is this an undocumented change, or was I slow to notice this?

Edit: also the scorch belt is 350% now

[DeathDefier]

They were changed today, you are not crazy!

[tangosmango]

where do you guys see these changes? i'm logged in on both beta and live and it shows the same numbers.

also, adventure guide on LIVE is missing a few legendaries. anyone notice that?

[Curnivore]

They were clearly changed on beta 2 days ago and they are changed on the tooltips of live too.

[tangosmango]

apparently not so clear as my adventure guide still shows old numbers

[Curnivore]

Maybe they are cached. Try with a deleted cache folder after a game shut down.

[Ataraxey]

If anyone's unsure of specifics, these are the changes to the legendaries from today:

8/25/2016 Legendary Tuning
- Cord of Infinity 40% threshold up from 25%
- Marquee Bindings of the Sun King up to 300% from 200%
- Koralon's Burning Touch up to 350% from 250%, mastery replaced with crit
- Sephuz's Secret works on attempted CC rather than successful

@Frosted - I assume this will push the bracers and helm closer to ring in terms of dps, but I am wondering how close they are now.

[Blugatti]

the bracers were already better in the first place so if anything, this is just widening the gap between bracers and other legendaries.

[Rhuan]

If anyone's unsure of specifics, these are the changes to the legendaries from today:

8/25/2016 Legendary Tuning
- Cord of Infinity 40% threshold up from 25%
- Marquee Bindings of the Sun King up to 300% from 200%
- Koralon's Burning Touch up to 350% from 250%, mastery replaced with crit
- Sephuz's Secret works on attempted CC rather than successful

@Frosted - I assume this will push the bracers and helm closer to ring in terms of dps, but I am wondering how close they are now.

Is there a list of all Legendaries Tuning to link here?

[Frosted]

Everything updated except for AoE talent rankings, which probably didn't change, but I'll do it anyways tonight.

[Rhuan]

Hi Frosted, I have 2 question for you:

Q3) Spec Comparisons/
Single

1) So the nerf to CM in single target is equivalent to about 8%? (I remeber that was 284 dps for Fire ST before the nerf).

2Target

4Target

2) Why Frost lose dps in priority target scenario compared to Single Target?

Code: Select all

head=collar_of_enclosure,id=134424,bonus_id=1727 neck=chain_of_the_underking,id=134495,bonus_id=1727,enchant=mark_of_the_claw shoulders=amice_of_the_unfurling_tempest,id=134432,bonus_id=1727 back=iceblood_shroud,id=134411,bonus_id=1727,enchant=binding_of_intellect chest=tunic_of_smoldering_ire,id=137352,bonus_id=1727 wrists=harrowing_soulspun_bracers,id=134437,bonus_id=1727 hands=gloves_of_unseen_evil,id=137506,bonus_id=1727 waist=timebreached_waistband,id=137413,bonus_id=1727 legs=burrowdweller_leggings,id=137424,bonus_id=1727 feet=paranoid_sprinters,id=137319,bonus_id=1727 finger1=seal_of_the_nazjatar_empire,id=134525,bonus_id=1727,enchant=binding_of_critical_strike finger2=band_of_callous_dominance,id=134528,bonus_id=1727,enchant=binding_of_critical_strike trinket1=naraxas_spiked_tongue,id=137349,bonus_id=1727 trinket2=portable_manacracker,id=137398,bonus_id=1727 main_hand=felomelorn,id=128820,gem_id=137470/137420/133022,relic_id=3412/3412/3412 off_hand=heart_of_the_phoenix,id=133959

Furthermore: I think that you forgot to change trinket 2 in the above profile.

[Architech]

In addition to the CM nerf, there was also a trinket nerf - which hits all classes (but mages due to mechanics some what harder)

[Frosted]

Hi Frosted, I have 2 question for you:

Q3) Spec Comparisons/
Single

1) So the nerf to CM in single target is equivalent to about 8%? (I remeber that was 284 dps for Fire ST before the nerf).

2Target

4Target

2) Why Frost lose dps in priority target scenario compared to Single Target?

Code: Select all

head=collar_of_enclosure,id=134424,bonus_id=1727 neck=chain_of_the_underking,id=134495,bonus_id=1727,enchant=mark_of_the_claw shoulders=amice_of_the_unfurling_tempest,id=134432,bonus_id=1727 back=iceblood_shroud,id=134411,bonus_id=1727,enchant=binding_of_intellect chest=tunic_of_smoldering_ire,id=137352,bonus_id=1727 wrists=harrowing_soulspun_bracers,id=134437,bonus_id=1727 hands=gloves_of_unseen_evil,id=137506,bonus_id=1727 waist=timebreached_waistband,id=137413,bonus_id=1727 legs=burrowdweller_leggings,id=137424,bonus_id=1727 feet=paranoid_sprinters,id=137319,bonus_id=1727 finger1=seal_of_the_nazjatar_empire,id=134525,bonus_id=1727,enchant=binding_of_critical_strike finger2=band_of_callous_dominance,id=134528,bonus_id=1727,enchant=binding_of_critical_strike trinket1=naraxas_spiked_tongue,id=137349,bonus_id=1727 trinket2=portable_manacracker,id=137398,bonus_id=1727 main_hand=felomelorn,id=128820,gem_id=137470/137420/133022,relic_id=3412/3412/3412 off_hand=heart_of_the_phoenix,id=133959

Furthermore: I think that you forgot to change trinket 2 in the above profile.

I did forget to change trinkets. Sorry about that - fixed to use DMC as I did in these sims (I had thought it would be highest, o well).

1) Archi answered this above, this is both CM nerf and Trinket nerf in it, so it's further down than before.

2) Frost loses Priority Target DPS on AoE sims because it uses different talents for AoE situations, which are not as good Priority Target DPS.

[UberHotDog]

Hi Frosted !

Awesome Sims, really appreciate all the hard work you put into this.

One question though. Have you considered the neck that is obtainable from Archeology?
Prizerock Neckband

I understand that getting hold of the right one might be time consuming but having 3 sockets wouldn't make it BiS for fire ?

Thanks!

[Architech]

If you can post a some details on the Archeology Ring I can do something with it

But as of now I do not know the following, which i need to know in order to sim it

Screenshot of the item @ 815 (dropped) item level
How the stats roll and how much
what item level it can, if it can, be upgraded to

[Rhuan]

If you can post a some details on the Archeology Ring I can do something with it

But as of now I do not know the following, which i need to know in order to sim it

Screenshot of the item @ 815 (dropped) item level
How the stats roll and how much
what item level it can, if it can, be upgraded to

http://www.wowhead.com/item=131736/prizerock-neckband" target="_blank

789 Stamina, 3 socket, socket Bonus: 480 leach

No secondary stats, I think it is BiS only for timewalking.

Obtainable from Archeology quest as all rare of Archeology

[Covery]

Hello

Thanks for this awesome works it will helps a lot !

I still have 3 questions concerning the rotations used during your simulations :

- Are you using flamestrike in AOE sim ? If yes how many targets do you need to use flamestrike over pyro ?

- How do you manage flame on while using kindle talent (the one available when combustion is not up) ? Are you using it with the second charge of RoP then delaying combustion untill flame on is up OR are you saving flame on to use combustion as soon as possible ?

- Will you continue this awesome job using NE items (especially for trinket) ?

Thanks !

PS : Sorry for my english, it is not my native language

[Architech]

If you can post a some details on the Archeology Ring I can do something with it

But as of now I do not know the following, which i need to know in order to sim it

Screenshot of the item @ 815 (dropped) item level
How the stats roll and how much
what item level it can, if it can, be upgraded to

http://www.wowhead.com/item=131736/prizerock-neckband" target="_blank

789 Stamina, 3 socket, socket Bonus: 480 leach

No secondary stats, I think it is BiS only for timewalking.

Obtainable from Archeology quest as all rare of Archeology

I appreciate the effort, but this kinda misses the point. If the ring does not roll secondary stats (other than 3 sockets) than it is significantly worse than any other 840 ring with crit.

but



Is the mystery that needs to be solved. What can the random enchantment end up as in terms of secondary stats