Marquee Binding Rotation Question's

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lopstar
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Re: Marquee Binding Rotation Question's

Unread postby lopstar Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:14 pm

It's crit>int/haste with bracers.

Haste is strong with bracers, crit is still better.
sawbossnl
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Re: Marquee Binding Rotation Question's

Unread postby sawbossnl Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:36 am

Ah I see, I just got these bracers and have been trying to figure out the best way to use them.
I went on Warcraft logs and looked up some of the best mages up there with bindings, it seems like these guys are at ~20% haste which makes sense.

Also when not in combustion phase is it a DPS loss to HC Pyro without RoP? because it feels like it, at my current 7% haste anyway.


So you saying crit haste gear is good now? And 20% is our breakpoint?
As crit haste mastery or is this only fore pure single target?
Like anny good numbers woult be nice as atm with the nerf in 7.1 i dont see my hardcasts doing more than 1.5 mil dammage with 5 stack and crit hit
Im 870 il might be doing something wrong if you guys can hit 2.5mil with it
Xzaar
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Re: Marquee Binding Rotation Question's

Unread postby Xzaar Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:26 am

RoP Crits should net you in the 2.25-2.5M range.
sawbossnl
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Re: Marquee Binding Rotation Question's

Unread postby sawbossnl Thu Nov 03, 2016 8:20 am

I got
63% crit
7% haste
18% mastery
With rop 5 stacks of pyretic and crit
Now you saying i shoult still se the 2 mil number but realy i dont see it so please tell me what am i doing wrong here?
debil
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Re: Marquee Binding Rotation Question's

Unread postby debil Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:14 am

I got
63% crit
7% haste
18% mastery
With rop 5 stacks of pyretic and crit
Now you saying i shoult still se the 2 mil number but realy i dont see it so please tell me what am i doing wrong here?
2.15 for me in 866 gear with rop and PIx5. 61 crit 3 versa
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Falq
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Re: Marquee Binding Rotation Question's

Unread postby Falq Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:41 pm

I got
63% crit
7% haste
18% mastery
With rop 5 stacks of pyretic and crit
Now you saying i shoult still se the 2 mil number but realy i dont see it so please tell me what am i doing wrong here?
2.15 for me in 866 gear with rop and PIx5. 61 crit 3 versa
Did you just compare flat damage to crit/haste/rating and ilvl? Damage you get only depends on your Int / Versa / SpellPower. Also ilvl does not tell you much because you can have high ilvl on jewelery and another guy can have high ilvl on main pieces with lots of int chest/legs etc. If you have 5 stacks PI + RoP and you cant HC Pyro you already did everything you could. How much it crits only depends on procs/gear which is not rotation case.
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Lahrast
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Re: Marquee Binding Rotation Question's

Unread postby Lahrast Thu Nov 03, 2016 3:08 pm

actually, im at 16%ish haste and there are currently breakpoints every other odd 1200-ish haste or so
i did a reforge plot for 2,5k in every direction again mastery and haste seems to be worse than mastery - except for those breakpoints. im currently sitting on top of one (haste 16,65%) and haste is worse than mastery but as soon as i move to the left haste becomes as good as crit in value (about 14 dps per point) because 100 rating would give me 6-7k dps or so. the same can be observed in general, the nearer you are from a breakpoint (coming from the left) the higher the value of haste is calculated, in general it seems to be a very bad stat compared to even our worst singletarget-stat (mastery)
ps: i also porjected haste into the next 5k points (because of reports of people going oom with too much) there's no such point in sight for me, i suppose thats because of the reduced APM that the bracer give you
Bangin
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Re: Marquee Binding Rotation Question's

Unread postby Bangin Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:27 pm

actually, im at 16%ish haste and there are currently breakpoints every other odd 1200-ish haste or so
i did a reforge plot for 2,5k in every direction again mastery and haste seems to be worse than mastery - except for those breakpoints. im currently sitting on top of one (haste 16,65%) and haste is worse than mastery but as soon as i move to the left haste becomes as good as crit in value (about 14 dps per point) because 100 rating would give me 6-7k dps or so. the same can be observed in general, the nearer you are from a breakpoint (coming from the left) the higher the value of haste is calculated, in general it seems to be a very bad stat compared to even our worst singletarget-stat (mastery)
ps: i also porjected haste into the next 5k points (because of reports of people going oom with too much) there's no such point in sight for me, i suppose thats because of the reduced APM that the bracer give you
So you're saying that even with these breakpoints it's not a good stat to get over mastery or vers? I'm still curious as to what's causing these breakpoints every 1200 haste or so as you said.
sawbossnl
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Re: Marquee Binding Rotation Question's

Unread postby sawbossnl Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:28 pm

is i worth hardcasting pyroblast while you dont have rop or 5 stack of pyretics? and is perhaps rop bad for wrist and instead incaters flow becomes more viable cuase of the stacks?
Xzaar
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Re: Marquee Binding Rotation Question's

Unread postby Xzaar Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:22 am

If you have a RoP to spare when bindings proc, use it first. If you don't it's still always worth it to hardcast Pyro even without buffs. From my experience at least.
sawbossnl
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Re: Marquee Binding Rotation Question's

Unread postby sawbossnl Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:25 am

But without rop or anny other buffs i do around 600k dammage is that realy worth it ?
nirdana
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Re: Marquee Binding Rotation Question's

Unread postby nirdana Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:31 am

as you said. YOu have 63% crit chance. That'S 69,3% on pyroblast. Really high chance and you're saving fire blast that you can use afterwards.
It wil definetly do higher dmg than spamming fireballs.
nickseng
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Re: Marquee Binding Rotation Question's

Unread postby nickseng Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:00 am

I'm still curious as to what's causing these breakpoints every 1200 haste or so as you said.
Everytime you have enough haste to fit another instant cast into Combustion, you'd get a dps jump.
Frederik22
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Re: Marquee Binding Rotation Question's

Unread postby Frederik22 Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:30 pm

What is everyones thoughts on the moment when u sit on, lets say 5 stacks on PI with a bracer proc, and a
hot streak proc ? i guess its worth to use a cancel aura macro hot streak to not risk loosing the PI stacks ?
Warble
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Re: Marquee Binding Rotation Question's

Unread postby Warble Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:42 am

With hotstreak active and bracer proc, I have been dumping the hotstreak hoping for a crit so I can double pyro
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Lahrast
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Re: Marquee Binding Rotation Question's

Unread postby Lahrast Sun Nov 13, 2016 2:45 am

like the haste cap for fire mages is 1800 but with the wrist woult that haste cap go higher ?
the last hastecap (breakpoint) i could find is about 20,6%, the one before that is 16,1%

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