Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

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Insidious
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Insidious Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:24 am

So, I found this spreadsheed. I dont know how many of you know of it's existance, and I did not make it.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =346155275
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Frantik
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Frantik Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:39 am

So, I found this spreadsheed. I dont know how many of you know of it's existance, and I did not make it.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =346155275
Yes it was mentioned in the arcane spec thread : https://www.altered-time.com/forum/view ... &start=120" target="_blank
Built a spreadsheet to display data I've produced recently on trinkets (also covers Fire too) from 840 to 880 versions in 10 ilvl steps.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing" target="_blank

Ran using the T19H profile (had to set up a variation to use trinket1 for the on-use trinkets), Patchwerk & all default settings.
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Curnivore
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Curnivore Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:59 pm

The trinket theorycrafting and simming and trying to figure out what actually works is giving me an aneurysm.

I was just testing the Bough of Corruption 870 ilvl on Heroic Nyth and it was 8% of my damage, much more than the 3-5% the shock Baton gets on a good pull.
Are you saying simcraft is bugged?
sunblaze
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby sunblaze Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:44 pm

Anyone has empirical ( playtesting, not just sims) recommendations on static trinkets?
The ones that are Int+Crit from WQ seem really good stat-wise. They might be more beneficial overall than most trinkets that dont have static Crit?
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby schmeebs Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:58 pm

The trinket theorycrafting and simming and trying to figure out what actually works is giving me an aneurysm.

I was just testing the Bough of Corruption 870 ilvl on Heroic Nyth and it was 8% of my damage, much more than the 3-5% the shock Baton gets on a good pull.
Are you saying simcraft is bugged?
I wouldn't go far to say its bugged, but with the large amount of trinkets, and the variability of them with the WF/TF system, its possible there are holes.
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Warble Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:40 pm

The trinket theorycrafting and simming and trying to figure out what actually works is giving me an aneurysm.

I was just testing the Bough of Corruption 870 ilvl on Heroic Nyth and it was 8% of my damage, much more than the 3-5% the shock Baton gets on a good pull.
Are you saying simcraft is bugged?
I wouldn't go far to say its bugged, but with the large amount of trinkets, and the variability of them with the WF/TF system, its possible there are holes.
Bough of Corruption doesnt even show up on my sims rofl
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Curnivore
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Curnivore Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:14 pm

The baton has crit though..
Eggochiggo
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Eggochiggo Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:30 pm

Hey all,

I just got an 845 Narraxxas Spiked Tongue and an 865 Unstable Arcanocrystal this week. It looks like these are near BIS in some of the sims, but wanted your opinions. I replaced my 845 Horn of Valor with the Narraxxas spiked tongue, is that right?

Also if I ever get a Devilsaur Shock Baton which trinket would you suggest replacing?

Thanks all,
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Drizzon Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:40 pm

Hi guys.

So today the baton quest finally appeared again! yay!
I got 825 baton :( but heres my question.

Is the 825 baton better than a 850 Wriggling Sinew or a 875 Eye of Skovald?
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Cavemanfreak Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:30 pm

Hi guys.

So today the baton quest finally appeared again! yay!
I got 825 baton :( but heres my question.

Is the 825 baton better than a 850 Wriggling Sinew or a 875 Eye of Skovald?
Wriggling Sinew is bis, so no. The other one might be quite close, not sure about that.
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby kamui Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:59 am

Hi guys.

So today the baton quest finally appeared again! yay!
I got 825 baton :( but heres my question.

Is the 825 baton better than a 850 Wriggling Sinew or a 875 Eye of Skovald?
Sinew is by far the best trinket for Fire.

As for Skovald vs. Baton, think of Skovald as the AoE/Cleave version of Baton. Use it for 2+ targets. For single target, Skovald may be better just because of the ilvl difference, but you'll have to sim yourself to find out. I believe that Baton is still the better choice for single target.
Alakallanar
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Alakallanar Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:01 pm

I'm currently using

Manacracker (840)
Shock-Baton (840)

Today I got Twisting Winds (880). I know that Twisting Winds is bad at the moment. But bad enough for it to be worse than Portable Manacracker despite a 40 ilvl difference?
Høkkabaz
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Høkkabaz Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:46 pm

what do you guys think about crit stat sticks. I have 855 stat stick, 845 skovald, 850 sinew, 855 tongue and 825 shockbaton. I am in a major clusterfuck about how to pair them
Sosaria
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Sosaria Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:21 am

Keep the Sinew... after extensive testing with my 865 Sinew (paired with 845 Baton, 850 Oak, 855 Tongue, 850 Skovald, 850 Manacracker)... 865 Sinew and 845 Baton comes out on top.

For you I'd use the 855 Tongue and 865 Sinew but try to get yourself an 830+ baton to replace the tongue.
Høkkabaz
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Høkkabaz Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:17 pm

and how do you manage kindling+sinew
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Pkm Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:46 pm

Is there any major difference between the eye of skovald trinket and devilsaur shock baton? Comparing them i can see the the proc of skovald is more damage at 3 targets. But everyone seems to always swear by the shock baton being the absolute best with no mention of the skovald trinket which at first glance, pretty much looks like an aoe version of the shock baton.
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Curnivore Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:09 pm

Is there any major difference between the eye of skovald trinket and devilsaur shock baton? Comparing them i can see the the proc of skovald is more damage at 3 targets. But everyone seems to always swear by the shock baton being the absolute best with no mention of the skovald trinket which at first glance, pretty much looks like an aoe version of the shock baton.
About 90% of what you hear as suggestions is suggestions on Patchwerk X 1 fights. There are some results of X 4 Frosted did in his thread but they aren't heard much. Thing is though that ST damage always has a value because there are a lot of multi target encounters with priority targets.
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby dioneslol Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:00 pm

What about Icon of the Silver Crescent ??

Item level: 805
+788 critical strike.
Use: Increases Intellect by 4047 for 20 sec. (2 min CD).


Is it worth? It alligns perfectly Combustion (No Kindling), lasts 20 seconds, about the time of the double RoP (21.4s)
Místal47
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Místal47 Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:11 pm

Hey guys first time poster, Here's my piece

I am currently using a 865 sinew heroic which i got last week which i know to be BiS for me, what i would like to know is should i change out my shock baton 840 for a 880 swarming plaguehive which i got tonight from the boss kill ?
Hyz
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Re: Fire Trinket Discussion Megathread

Unread postby Hyz Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:28 am

What about Icon of the Silver Crescent ??

Item level: 805
+788 critical strike.
Use: Increases Intellect by 4047 for 20 sec. (2 min CD).


Is it worth? It alligns perfectly Combustion (No Kindling), lasts 20 seconds, about the time of the double RoP (21.4s)
I am really curious about this one as well. I have not done any SIM since I frankly suck at it, anyone out there who might have?

I know for some tanks and str users, the 805 timewalk trinket is so good it is only outdone by 870+ trinkets. Definitely something for us mages to keep an eye on, too! :)

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