What talents are you guys running for mythic+?

[Keyblader]

I've been having a blast since last week with the Mythic+ dungeons being out, and love running them. However some runs do tend to go slower than others, rarely is the issue the bosses, but the trash.

I almost always run the standard single target talent setup. However after doing more and more runs, I'm starting to think I'm better off using conflag, LB and cinderstorm just to make the trash go by faster. No matter the group I get, I am usually always top dps on any boss, unless there is a lot of aoe, and we have a hunter or something. But on trash I am always bottom, or just above the tank. Which I don't mind because I decimate everyone else on bosses. That being said, we spend a lot of time on trash.

I am curious as to what you guys have been running on mythic+? Are you guys using the standard single target talent setup? Or the aoe setup to clear trash faster? Or perhaps a mix of both by just swapping out unstable magic for LB?

[Zyrachiel]

Cure for bad trash dps is to accept RoP as part of a rotation and not a cooldown.
Ever since I started using RoP then 2x (Phoenix->Fireblast->Flamestrike) on every trash pack I've been dominating pretty much every class other than DH in AoE. Even the demon hunters start lagging behind once they blow their cooldowns, if the fight is long enough.

I prefer Flame Patch to Living Bomb as I seem to be getting better results with it, especially in higher mythic+ where packs live long, but that's personal preference.

Conflagration, flame on and rune of power are somewhat self explanatory.

I still run Kindling, mostly because Cinderstorm gives me anxiety every time I watch it bounce off an object and fly off in the direction of a pack. Kindling also allows you to annihilate some trash packs or difficult mobs because you know Combustion will be back up for a boss if you're clever about it.

[pip]

Living Bomb has been great, especially against bolstering.

I run Kindling as CiS is too unpredictable, ive had them gone flying off wayyyy further than the current target(s) and pulling adds.

[Summ3r]

I run Conf/RoP/FO/LB/Kin and act with every pack just like with boss at the start of fight.
Since most trash groups are more dungerous than most bosses, im not even saving Kin for boss fight, cuz ill use it at least one time anyway. My progress is about m+6/7 atm.

[Sosaria]

A big part of the Mythic experience is knowing the dungeon well. You know how many pulls of trash before reaching the boss, so you time your cooldowns accordingly.

I generally use LB -> ROP -> PF -> FO -> FS -> FO -> FS, then fireball conserve rotation and making sure LB is off cooldown. Also try to sneak in a Dragon's breath while ROP is up

If the there's a tougher bunch of adds I'll repeat the opening rotation.

If I know I'm hitting the last bunch of trash before the boss, I make sure I have at least the single target combustion rotation ready by the time we pull it.

Talents are Conflag, living bomb, kindling --- Never changed it since Mythics+ came out.

I'm on +6 Mythic; always either the highest dps or 2nd highest in trash and boss.

[Curnivore]

Kindling is better, and not for the ninja pulling/the mechanics of cinder, that's the least. It's that 2 minute cooldowns are way too inconvenient in this game. By the time you transition to a new phase, or to a new trash pack or to a new boss Combustion might not be up. The talent makes the use of the spell much more convenient/applicable/viable.

I can see cinderstorm being convenient on very stably sustained damage fights. I can't even see it being convenient on fights like Il'gynoth to be honest.

Let alone 5mans.

[Frantik]

Kindling is better, and not for the ninja pulling/the mechanics of cinder, that's the least. It's that 2 minute cooldowns are way too inconvenient in this game. By the time you transition to a new phase, or to a new trash pack or to a new boss Combustion might not be up. The talent makes the use of the spell much more convenient/applicable/viable.

I can see cinderstorm being convenient on very stably sustained damage fights. I can't even see it being convenient on fights like Il'gynoth to be honest.

Let alone 5mans.

Didn't they say somewhere in these forums that for kindling to work reliably you need above 55% crit(or around that region)? is this still the case?

[Curnivore]

I'm not sure. My concern there is mainly mechanical/strategic. On fights of high complexity like a full 5man run or a complex raid boss, 120 second downtimes might be a long time to have burn phases reliably up. It's crucial that fire right now acts sort of like an arcane mage in terms of burst. The majority of its damage is during burns. When they line up well on the targets you want to, it makes the spec more mechanically viable. Arcane with its 1.5min cooldown was clearly more convenient at that at 6.x. Kindling approaches that mechanical convenience.

[Spirillum]

I two-chested an 8+ and cleared a 10+ last night. Using cooldowns on trash is key. Anything that will live long enough for your Combustion is worth using it on.

My opener on packs has been Fireball (apply conflag) > LB > RoP > IB (if FB didn't crit) > PF > Combust with the Phoenix Flame midair

Every dungeon is different, but I generally have combust up for every second pack and every boss.

Conflag, LB, Kindling, RoP are my talents.

In retrospect, I should have taken Cold Snap for BRH 10+. Many of the boss mechanics hit for ~2M and are unavoidable. A second Ice Block would have been better than Shimmer.

I've taken Ice Floes over Ring of Frost, but it might be viable for your cutting edge M+ as well.

[Erosis]

Have you all taken the 3rd gold artifact talent for double flamestrike? I imagine that is quite strong for mythic+ instead of going the single target route first.

As for my talents, I have been running kindling over cinderstorm. CiS is just too unreliable and the risk of pulling extra packs without proper positioning is not worth it.

[RickettsZ22]

Have you all taken the 3rd gold artifact talent for double flamestrike? I imagine that is quite strong for mythic+ instead of going the single target route first.

It's not actually an extra full flamestike. It's a different spell called "Aftershocks" and it only hits for around 17% of a normal flamestike. Although, I assume it's helpful on those trash pulls, I don't assume it's going to make anyone run away with the meters.

[Emazing17]

Flamestrike is almost completely useless.

I use it very rarely.

[Kintoun]

Whoa a lot more people suggesting to use Kindling over CiS than I thought. If you hit perfectly with all 6 cinders 100% of the time CiS is a DPS gain over Kindling in single target sims. That makes it a no-brainer to use in multi-target situations even if a few cinders miss. Controlling CiS is something you can get used to and hit 5+ cinders easily, even on small MOBs. If you don't use Spiked Tongue it is even easier to use since you can stack right on top of the AE pull and hit all cinders.

Also confused as to suggestions to use FS. Discussion after discussion has lead to a general understanding that on long living trash you should be PBing instead of FSing. PBs lead to higher damage due to heating up procs and Ignite spreading over time.

[Curnivore]

Whoa a lot more people suggesting to use Kindling over CiS than I thought. If you hit perfectly with

Some of us find that the least of the issue. The cinders may hit reliably or they may never have ninja pulling issues (though they may also waste time if you must reposition). The main issue is that a 2 minute CD is quite long in this game and it doesn't line up well in various bosses and situations in 5mans. CDs of 1.5min or lower start having better flow in this game in practice.

[Weezdion]

What Curnivore wrote is completely true with less than 1.5m CD you have combustion for every important pull in M+.

FS might be good with 3rd trait + FS dmg trait + Flame Patch but this is just speculation. I still find LB to be really convenient for M+ especially on larger pulls.

[DeathDefier]

Whoa a lot more people suggesting to use Kindling over CiS than I thought. If you hit perfectly with all 6 cinders 100% of the time CiS is a DPS gain over Kindling in single target sims.

Kindling sims higher single target by quite a bit for my character.

[carrybag]

for M+ and raids, ever since i got my pyroblast legendary.

Kindling all the way. Cinderstorm is super awkward trying to cast on cd, feel like it's such a waste for me.
Livingbomb > UM , unless pure ST.
Conflag > Pyro, unless pure ST.
Flame on personally.

[Sosaria]

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Notice how I did not use combustion on any of these fights. Also note the time stamp of each pull... Tank was pulling a pack as soon as the current one died; no resting in between for CD's to charge up. If I was using mascarpwn's rotation I doubt I have a combustion ready at every minute to use for the trash. I consistently got 2-3 flamestrikes EVERY trash pull as demonstrated with the above logs, due to PF artifact reduction as well as a short Fire Blast cooldown. More damage than combustion/fireball/pyro rotation with my rotation? See the numbers in the logs and judge for yourself.

Each pull was 2-4 mobs as shown in the logs.

And again... No Flamepatch talent. I'll doubt the talent would out dps living bomb on 3-4 trash mob pulls


--- I have used the same rotation up to Mythic +7 with success. There's a bit of change when doing Bolstering mythics however; just have to make sure everything is burned down to roughly 10% before we switch to single target so the tank doesn't get one shotted ---

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[Mage]

A lot depends on timings for specific instances. For every pack where kindling makes combustion available, there are 3 others that you don't have it, and cinderstorm outperfroms kindling on every single one of them, obviously.

[Adimera]

A lot depends on timings for specific instances. For every pack where kindling makes combustion available, there are 3 others that you don't have it, and cinderstorm outperfroms kindling on every single one of them, obviously.

I have another experience with Kindling. Going into higher Mythic+, I have Combustion up for every second pull we do while the second mage uses Combustion on trashpulls where mine is on Cooldown and vice versa.

We tried the same with Cinderstorm and it wouldn't work at all for our group at higher My+.

We both have 68% crit chance if someone wants to know,and we went with Prot Warrior/2x Fire Mages/Elemental/Holy Priest for +8/+9.

Talentchoice for both is Conflag/Living Bomb/Kindling with the obvious go-to of RoP and Flame-On.