New Legendary Shoulders Discussion

[Kaledine]

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So, casting 10 Fireballs or Pyroblasts gives us a free Meteor. I guess it's time to sim this for ST.

[Coolresh]

Looks pretty cool. I checked tonight and on a regular fight in NH mythic i get about 120 casts of fireball and pyro combined and a total of 4 meteors. Meteor is about 3% of my damage on those fights. So i'd get 16 meteors instead of only 4 which makes this legendary look pretty juicy.

That's also not accounting for all the scorch casts below 30% if you are using the belt which means even more fireballs and in turn more meteors if you used these shoulders instead of the belt.

[magictricks]

With the shoulders you'd be taking kindling anyways.

Casting meteor means you'd be casting fireball less and getting less chance at your free meteor.

[Syana]

With the shoulders you'd be taking kindling anyways.

Casting meteor means you'd be casting fireball less and getting less chance at your free meteor.

I doubt gaining a global every 45s is enough to make kindling overtake Meteor, but would really have to wait for the sims to get a better picture of it.

After trying it out on the PTR however, I noticed that when you get the 9th stack of the buff it turns into a new buff. Allowing the 10th fireball to both trigger the meteor AND add another stack of the first buff, essentially making it a meteor every 9 fireballs after the first one.

[Ranax]

Is the meteor from the shoulders same as the one from talent? Does it do the same damage and have the burning ground? Or is it a slightly nerfed version of the talent?

[magictricks]

With the shoulders you'd be taking kindling anyways.

Casting meteor means you'd be casting fireball less and getting less chance at your free meteor.

I doubt gaining a global every 45s is enough to make kindling overtake Meteor, but would really have to wait for the sims to get a better picture of it.

After trying it out on the PTR however, I noticed that when you get the 9th stack of the buff it turns into a new buff. Allowing the 10th fireball to both trigger the meteor AND add another stack of the first buff, essentially making it a meteor every 9 fireballs after the first one.

You also get combustions faster so more instant casts speeding the whole thing up even more. you wont be running CiS or meteor with the shoulders i promise you.

[Rhov]

Is the meteor from the shoulders same as the one from talent? Does it do the same damage and have the burning ground? Or is it a slightly nerfed version of the talent?

Testing shoulders now in ptr, and yes it seems to be the EXACT same version of the talented Meteor. So yeah, I believe they will be a decent buff for fire's overall ST performance. Let's wait for the sims.

[Destru]

I wonder whether the Shoulders are better with Bracers or Belt if either, hopefully because free Meteors look neat on paper.

[Ranax]

Is the meteor from the shoulders same as the one from talent? Does it do the same damage and have the burning ground? Or is it a slightly nerfed version of the talent?

Testing shoulders now in ptr, and yes it seems to be the EXACT same version of the talented Meteor. So yeah, I believe they will be a decent buff for fire's overall ST performance. Let's wait for the sims.

That's great. I wonder if using this legendary along with the new trinkets(the owl and terror from below) will push the value of crit up. Maybe IF or RoP will be viable for ST now. A bit excited for fire now, hope we get some sims soon.

[Toriankel]

How about a gloves/shoulders combo with kindling ? That could mean free meteors very often

[Magicooler]

Currently the new shoulders are simming about 60k higher than bracers for me. They're looking quite insane

[Falq]

This will prob make haste even better stat for us And fireball cast time relic will be prob BiS aswell

[Fleks]

How about a gloves/shoulders combo with kindling ? That could mean free meteors very often

You won't unequip Bracers.

[Goblinguide]

I spent a lot of time on the ptr last night. My highest output was shoulders with the meteor talent. The burn effect of meteor can stack. Also right now the shoulders are bugged to cast meteor on 9 casts instead of 10. Sephuz seems like the legendary to be with shoulders.

[subtlexgaming]

I have 55 points in frost atm. I may need to start dumping into fire...

[Afflik]

I don't really see a situation where Bracers/Shoulders wouldn't be optimal. I DO see a situation where they nerf these shoulders though, because as they are they are very good.

Using Shoulders/Belt doesn't have good synergy at all. I can see Shoulder/BL Ring, but the bracers just outperform everything else by a wide margin. I can honestly see a fire mage with Shoulders/Bracers in the current state being very competitive, and I'm praying I can get all the possible legendaries I need to make this my only fire legendary I can possibly get when the patch hits, so hopefully I can get it faster.

I currently have Helm/Bracers/Belt/both rings/trinket/chest/neck - so once I get gloves I should have everything other than the new ring/shoulders when the patch hits.

[Magicooler]

I spent a lot of time on the ptr last night. My highest output was shoulders with the meteor talent. The burn effect of meteor can stack. Also right now the shoulders are bugged to cast meteor on 9 casts instead of 10. Sephuz seems like the legendary to be with shoulders.

Theres no way you'll unequip bracers for sephuz even if you can proc it

[ezekielyo]

From PTR testing, feels very strong. 90% will replace the belt in all situations

[Fleks]

I spent a lot of time on the ptr last night. My highest output was shoulders with the meteor talent. The burn effect of meteor can stack. Also right now the shoulders are bugged to cast meteor on 9 casts instead of 10. Sephuz seems like the legendary to be with shoulders.

They dont cast at 9 instead of 10. - The 10th cast just doubledips (Casts Meteor + 1Stack)
After 9 you get a new buff making your next Pyro/Fireball cast the Meteor and this Cast also gives you a stack for the next Meteor.
A constant dps increase legendary is pretty much what fire was missing imo (Belt is good obviously but didnt do shit if you needed more DPS during progress for a phase above 30% and ring didnt do shit if you lusted at the end unless you had a 2min dps check.)

[dhx]

Would be nice if this makes it through. A legendary wouldn't be my first choice for bringing ST up but I'll take it.