Tier 21 nerf

[Canonic]

So, I think we all knew it was going to get nerfed, but from 50% to 12% seems a bit much. When most of us are running between 20 and 30 percent crit, I'm not sure that 12% is going to have a big impact.

I know the changes aren't final, but in your opinions, what effect does this have on the possibility of the bracers/ gloves build?

Are we, the crit kings, stuck running the haste build for Antorus?

[tylliance]

Well this is critical strike damage, so it's a 12% damage buff for combustion, which is still nice. 50% was always going to get nerfed.

I think that it'll make the gloves more competitive and probably a viable alternate to the waist, but not the bracers. It would be interesting to see a good sim of gloves+shard, but I doubt it would be better than bracers+gloves.

[Canonic]

I guess we will have to wait and see if that 12% justifies losing our super mobile "execute" phase. I enjoy the mobility, but if it's more damage, I guess it's more damage.

Something else to think about is how much better RoP will be with T21.

[pyrotonic]

2p is a joke. 2 more seconds of combust... I spend everything in the 14 secs already. This teir bonus amounts to 2-3 more pyrocrits at most. Thats 4-6 total for a typical boss engagement. Thats laughable. The 4p is another raw damage increase. These last two teir sets are just mechanism to control the value of crit. 4p Raw damage increases just so we dont fall below mediocre.

[Math]

in other side, frost gains 75% dmg IL after flurry proc.

How to give hope to all fire then dispair

[Syana]

2p is a joke. 2 more seconds of combust... I spend everything in the 14 secs already.

If you account for the amount of times you get a bracers proc towards the end of your combustion that you can't be able to fit in, and now imagine you will be able to fit them it, it will make a difference.

However, It is a garbage set bonus. Because no matter how much you increase the duration of combustion by the 2pc or by relics, the 4pc duration remains the same...

[Preheet]

So, I think we all knew it was going to get nerfed, but from 50% to 12% seems a bit much. When most of us are running between 20 and 30 percent crit, I'm not sure that 12% is going to have a big impact.

I know the changes aren't final, but in your opinions, what effect does this have on the possibility of the bracers/ gloves build?

Are we, the crit kings, stuck running the haste build for Antorus?

source please

[Rhuan]

So, I think we all knew it was going to get nerfed, but from 50% to 12% seems a bit much. When most of us are running between 20 and 30 percent crit, I'm not sure that 12% is going to have a big impact.

I know the changes aren't final, but in your opinions, what effect does this have on the possibility of the bracers/ gloves build?

Are we, the crit kings, stuck running the haste build for Antorus?

source please

http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/700 ... uild-25079

Item - Mage T21 Fire 4P Bonus Name changed from "Item - Mage T21 Fire 4P Bonus - Combustion Increases Crit Damage" to "Item - Mage T21 Fire 4P Bonus". Combustion also increases your critical strike damage by 50% for 14 sec. 12% for 14 sec.
Item - Mage T21 Frost 4P Bonus Name changed from "Item - Mage T21 Frost 4P Bonus - Brain Freeze Buffs Frostbolt" to "Item - Mage T21 Frost 4P Bonus". When you consume Brain Freeze, the damage of your next Frostbolt is increased by 75%. or Ice Lance is increased by 75%.

[Canonic]

Well frost just got nerfed too.

On a side note, there is something indicating we only have one charge of fire blast. Is that just a tooltip update or something?

[Katsumi]

Oh come one, why the Frost change? Having Frostbolt buffed instead of Ice Lance would have been sweet for GS.


Meanwhile I'm still waiting for the set that buffs Ray of Frost by 30%. THAT would be cool.

[Syana]

On a side note, there is something indicating we only have one charge of fire blast. Is that just a tooltip update or something?

This is simply a tooltip change to rank 1 of fireblast, which has only had one charge for a while. It doesn't affect max level at all.

[Edlh]

So, I think we all knew it was going to get nerfed, but from 50% to 12% seems a bit much. When most of us are running between 20 and 30 percent crit, I'm not sure that 12% is going to have a big impact.

I know the changes aren't final, but in your opinions, what effect does this have on the possibility of the bracers/ gloves build?

Are we, the crit kings, stuck running the haste build for Antorus?

It seems a bit much indeed , i would prefer it at 15% but that doesn't mean 12% is bad.
My Crit>haste>mastery build is still doing very good and my kill times are not that impressive, here some logs for you to check my build
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/c ... metric=dps
I never used belt in any fight in legion except botanist.
Also the 2P tier 21 it seems bad cause of 2s only but its not some people think that by that time (14s) they already used all there stuff, but dont forget it you do get the wrist procing 2 times , your 14s window is already gone only with spamming pyro-fireblast, so 2 sec more means a 3rd and probably a 4th hardcast pyro if you are lucky enough to get it.

[Breit]

Down to 10% and only one week to go...

[Syana]

They seemed to bring down the power of most classes tier, so I doubt it had anything specifically to do with fire. Still a shitty tier bonus however...

[Devlonir]

Also note that it is now for the entire duration of Combustion instead of a fixed time. So it means the Combustion extension trait gets a bit better with it.

[Syana]

Didn't notice that, then maybe this is a slight buff, or at the very least similar in power.

[gatomon_ca]

Also note that it is now for the entire duration of Combustion instead of a fixed time. So it means the Combustion extension trait gets a bit better with it.

Was this confirmed by devs?

Right now on live under the loot guide it still says increase 10% critical damage for 14 secs.

[Devlonir]

Also note that it is now for the entire duration of Combustion instead of a fixed time. So it means the Combustion extension trait gets a bit better with it.

Was this confirmed by devs?

Right now on live under the loot guide it still says increase 10% critical damage for 14 secs.

Unsure if it has been confirmed, but it is something to keep note of until it goes Live.

[hatsumi]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/21025532
true: 4-piece bonus now increases your critical strike damage by 10% (was 12%) while Combustion is active.
and stop a pointless argument)

[Mageski]

Also note that it is now for the entire duration of Combustion instead of a fixed time. So it means the Combustion extension trait gets a bit better with it.

Was this confirmed by devs?

Right now on live under the loot guide it still says increase 10% critical damage for 14 secs.

Unsure if it has been confirmed, but it is something to keep note of until it goes Live.

Just tested on PTR. Set bonus lasted the full 18 seconds on my toon. (4 traits, 2 relics and 2p)