[Tier 22] Talents, Racials, Weapons Enchants, Azerite, Potions & Foods!

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Glynny
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[Tier 22] Talents, Racials, Weapons Enchants, Azerite, Potions & Foods!

Unread postby Glynny Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:04 pm

Hello,

Like before, there have been sim dump threads originally created by Frosted. I have started doing these now instead of Frosted. Below are a bunch of sims I've ran for T22.

I also created a Github repository with all the Simc files, HTML files & batch files used to make this all possible. Feel free to check them out here: https://github.com/Glynnyx/Simc-Files any updates to this thread can be tracked there.

The abbreviations for the Azerite trains can all be found in this script here: https://repl.it/@zulandia/Mage-Azerite-Traits

Without further ado, lets get to the Sims!


Table of contents:

  1. Single Target Talents
  2. Two Target Talents
  3. Four Target Talents
  4. Two Target Stat Weights
  5. Single Target Stat Weights
  6. Four Target Stat Weights
  7. Single Target Racials
  8. Two Target Racials
  9. Four TargetRacials
  10. Single Target Weapon Enchants
  11. Two Target Weapon Enchants
  12. Four Target Weapon Enchants
  13. Single Target Azerite Traits
  14. Two Target Azerite Traits
  15. Four Target Azerite Traits
  16. Single Target Potions
  17. Two Target Potions
  18. Four Target Potions
  19. Single Target Foods
  20. Two Target Foods
  21. Four Target Foods

Single Target Talents

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Two Target Talents

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Four Target Talents

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Single Target Stat Weights

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Two Target Stat Weights

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Four Target Stat Weights

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Single Target Racials

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Two Target Racials

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FourTarget Racials

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Single Target Weapon Enchants

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Two Target Weapon Enchants

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Four Target Weapon Enchants

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Single Target Azerite Traits

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Two Target Azerite Traits

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Four Target Azerite Traits

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Single Target Potions

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Two Target Potions

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Four Target Potions

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Single Target Foods

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Two Target Foods

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Four Target Foods

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Re: [7.3.2] Talents, Racials, Relics, Legendaries & More!

Unread postby Aimzz2190 Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:09 pm

Am I missing something? How come under each category it just says "image"? Sorry I am new to the site.
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Re: [7.3.2] Talents, Racials, Relics, Legendaries & More!

Unread postby Potaetoe Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:24 pm

Am I missing something? How come under each category it just says "image"? Sorry I am new to the site.
Probably an issue on your browser side. It's not converting his embedded images for some reason. I'm able to see them just fine.
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Re: [7.3.2] Talents, Racials, Relics, Legendaries & More!

Unread postby britt2376 Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:36 pm

Are the sims using the new tier set or without?....just curious
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Re: [7.3.2] Talents, Racials, Relics, Legendaries & More!

Unread postby fieryphoenix Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:31 am

How is "fire at will" relic not a damage increase?
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Re: [7.3.2] Talents, Racials, Relics, Legendaries & More!

Unread postby Ludavyk Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:17 am

What does the "_20Pantheon" mean on the trinket spreadsheet?
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Re: [7.3.2] Talents, Racials, Relics, Legendaries & More!

Unread postby Cablok Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:35 am

infernal core and bindings the new go to?!
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Re: [7.3.2] Talents, Racials, Relics, Legendaries & More!

Unread postby Falq Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:43 pm

infernal core and bindings the new go to?!
Remember all this sims are patchwerk, there is no such a thing in this instance. Legendaries should be switched according to fight prob. I'd say Pyrotex will be used mostly because they are not bad on single target and skyrocket to the top on 2+ fights and this kind of fights is Fires strength. On the other hand you want to be using combustion at the specific moments of the fight usually to maximize dps / usefulness so if Pyrotex will reduce it's cooldown more than that it's a bit loss which can't be seen on this logs.

All you should be taking from this sims is gap between each option (if it's significant or not) and think if you can play with what's actually better for you because gap is too insignificant. Second important thing is to check how values change depending on amount of targets. For example if you have some adds in encounter and u know that:

For ST:
Preignitd == pyroclasmicPara == Everburning (gap between best and worst less than 0.2%)
For 2 targets:
Everburning > Preignited > Pyroclasmic (gap between EACH is > 0.2%)
For 4 targets:
Preignited == Everburning >>> PyroclasmicPara (huge gaps here according to previous comparisions)

You actually don't wanna have PyroclasmicPara in your relic if you can have Preignited or Everburning instead because the moment your ignite jump to something both of them outvalue Pyroclasmic.

Yet another thing to mention about relics is there was Shard/Bracers legendaries used for those sims so this combo highly value PyroclasmicPara and even thou Preignited is quite high, so if Pyrotex would be used instead I'm sure Preignited would be #1 in every sim by far.
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Re: [7.3.2] Talents, Racials, Relics, Legendaries & More!

Unread postby Glynny Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:45 pm

How is "fire at will" relic not a damage increase?
Thanks for pointing this out, I have updated the images. The problem was due to the extra fireball casts the profile had < 110,000 mana and it was unable to cast another combustion on some runs, for the sake of the sims I gave the profiles infinite mana.
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Re: [7.3.2] Talents, Racials, Relics, Legendaries & More!

Unread postby Hanek85 Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:31 pm

interesting , a simple question, what trinket / legendary combination do you use for aoe fights or cleave ? Iin raid ? For mitics+? I play with helm and kiljaeden burning . Which Aoe trinket non legendary is the best choiche ? or best combination legendary for aoe mitic plus? Kiljaeden is so bad?
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Re: [7.3.2] Talents, Racials, Relics, Legendaries & More!

Unread postby Hanek85 Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:17 pm

Are the sims using the new tier set or without?....just curious

I'm interested in knowing that too
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Re: [7.3.2] Talents, Racials, Relics, Legendaries & More!

Unread postby Glynny Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:50 pm

Are the sims using the new tier set or without?....just curious

I'm interested in knowing that too

Yes, everything is using the default profile unless otherwise stated (Only legendary combos and talent combos changed slightly). To answer your questions: yes it is using the new tier.
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Re: [7.3.2] Talents, Racials, Relics, Legendaries & More!

Unread postby Glynny Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:57 pm

interesting , a simple question, what trinket / legendary combination do you use for aoe fights or cleave ? Iin raid ? For mitics+? I play with helm and kiljaeden burning . Which Aoe trinket non legendary is the best choiche ? or best combination legendary for aoe mitic plus? Kiljaeden is so bad?
Not really the type of questions I would answer in these threads, it would be a good questions for the #questions section in the Mage Discord (here: https://discord.me/alteredtime)

However, me personally I use Helm with Sephuz or Gloves, depending on the instance really in M+, for raids I usually stick with Bracers and Shard or Belt, again depending on the fight. Some good trinkets for M+ are Mastery stat sticks, fury of the burning sky Owl (for the mastery). I don't really use the legendary trinket.
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Re: [7.3.2] Talents, Racials, Relics, Legendaries & More!

Unread postby Grethil207 Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:20 am

Hello there.I saw that on all of the ST sims,well apart from the last one,are presenting Pyromaniac as the strongest choice of the Tier 1 talents....in pracrice tho i found it rather frustrating....especialy when lust is up and in my case troll racial i cast pyro-fireblast or pyro-FF that fast that i lose procs of pyromaniac and i sometimes waste a fb or a ff....what i'm trying to say....should we talent that even when the human factor is possible to make a mistake or get overrun by the gameplay?
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Re: [7.3.2] Talents, Racials, Relics, Legendaries & More!

Unread postby Cablok Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:49 am

So now that the raid has been out for a bit, why do you think the talents listed for single target aren't really used nor are the top legendary combos?
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Re: [7.3.2] Talents, Racials, Relics, Legendaries & More!

Unread postby lopstar Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:10 pm

If you aren't good enough to play around talents like pyromaniac and ROP u should play other talents or practice them.
Fact is that those are still best in most ST situations.
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Re: [7.3.5] Talents, Racials, Relics, Legendaries & More!

Unread postby frostlife Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:54 pm

Hello
someone would be why on many sites we announce a critical Cap of 31%
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Re: [7.3.5] Talents, Racials, Relics, Legendaries & More!

Unread postby nickseng Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:58 am

Hello
someone would be why on many sites we announce a critical Cap of 31%
Which sites would those be?
Currently, only Frost has a crit cap at 33.34%, and Fire has none
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Re: [7.3.2] Talents, Racials, Relics, Legendaries & More!

Unread postby Huggle Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:40 pm

interesting , a simple question, what trinket / legendary combination do you use for aoe fights or cleave ? Iin raid ? For mitics+? I play with helm and kiljaeden burning . Which Aoe trinket non legendary is the best choiche ? or best combination legendary for aoe mitic plus? Kiljaeden is so bad?
Sim yourself. Currently Beacon and Decimator are top for me in aoe fights. Norg's and Decimator are best for ST fights. Mythic+ I'd say Beacon and Decimator would be the go-to's.

Again, my trinket ilvl's are fairly high so depending on what ilvl's you have for said trinkets your sims may give you different results.
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Re: [7.3.5] Talents, Racials, Relics, Legendaries & More!

Unread postby Huggle Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:43 pm

Hello
someone would be why on many sites we announce a critical Cap of 31%
Crit varies heavily on what talent setups you're using, and what fight you're on. Using Shard over Koralon's, and Firestarter over Searing Touch or Pyromaniac will give you different answers as well. There is no definite "crit cap" with Fire atm.

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