LocNess' WoD Fire Mage Guide (Updated for 6.2)

[Chev]

Hey there, I'm sitting on 43% crit selfbuffed and im thinking about switching to PC as it aligns with Combustion perfectly. Has anyone been playing with it?

The big thing about PC is the boss not moving the whole time it is active. If you can guarantee that, then it is an increase, especially with lots of targets.

[Ironmagen]

Yeah I'm counting on that. Great will try it out. Also, afaik the images don't count in your mastery, any info on that?

[Garrod]

Doesn't really seem worth it on anything less than 5 targets in that case. Also, is that with you spec'd into MI or RoP? Those numbers will change wildly depending on which 90 talent you take.

[Ironmagen]

Personally i don't like Meteor ignite munching and MI, so i stick to RoP for low movement fights and IF for fights like Tectus and Imperator. I'll try PC tonight, if you know how the tank will tank the boss, there is no chance you'll miss one burst.

EDIT: Been doing some live raid testing and even at 42% double pyros don't happen often enough, i'll just stick to Meteor till 4set.

[nickseng]

Personally i don't like Meteor ignite munching ...

AFAIK, ignite munching hasn't been a thing for a long time.

[Llewllyn]

My guild has started working on Mythic Tectus. So I've gone Fire since it's super dominant on this fight with LB on so many targets. My question is is it worth it to use Inferno Blast to spread LB even if you don't have a Heating Up proc or Hotstreak already? My guess is that the answer is no unless LB is about to explode in which case getting those Bombs spread is super valuable.

I was curious if there was a situation where the potential lose of a Pyroblast was out weighed by the added damage from a bunch of LBs ticking for full duration.

Thanks for your help.

[LocNess]

If there are 4+ targets, I have been. Whether or not it is correct I admittedly don't know. My guess was with lower amounts of crit, go for it, but with higher amounts, fish for the Pyro first to get the Pyro dot spread as well. We were talking on IRC about it, but did not have any real conclusion.

[theMedium]

Hello. My guild will start progressing on Tectus Mythic this sunday, so I've picked up fire due to it being superior on this fight. I've been reading up a bunch since I havn't played fire since MoP and your guide helped me a lot, so thank you for writing it!

However, there is 1 thing I'm confused about. In the section where you explain how to maximize your combustion, you say that having both Pyro! and Heating Up before casting Meteor, then Fireball, then whatevery Pyro! procs you got is the best method. But unless you intend to stop casting the fireball you're currently casting just as the previous fireball hits and crits (and therefor proc HU), then that queued up fireball would munch a Pyro proc if it crits/waste the HU proc if it hits, whilst you cast Meteor (since the GCD from Meteor is not fast enough for you to cast Pyro! before the lined up fireball hits). Right?

To me, it seems more logical to only have a Pyro! proc and NOT a HU proc aswell when you use meteor since the fireball you cast just before meteor can crit. If it does, it will give you the HU proc that you can use with the next fireball you cast just after meteor, but if it doesent you dont waste the HU proc you otherwise would've had.

I understand that the technique your guide explains is better if you intend to stop casting the fireball you lined up whilst fishing for the HU proc, but that just doesn't seem possible, especially if you're buffed with Time Warp/Berserking/Shards of Nothing and/or at far range. Even if you manage to stop casting the fireball, I'm not sure it would be considered a DPS increase (though I have no math to confirm this statement. It just seems unlikley to me).

[Doji]

Stopcasting the fireball is not a good option id think, but depending on the talents you chose, you could do something like that, if you have pyro! up, casting fireball and blastwave (or living bomb, but thats more of a timing issue), giving you enough time to see if the fireball did crit, giving you both pyro! and HU.

[LocNess]

*snip*

Combustion has a larger DPET than Fireball, and getting it right is important. Even if you are a second into a Fireball cast on your Combustion set up, stop the cast into your Meteor/Pyro chain. It actually isn't that bad, Fireball is very weak.

[Komma]

Combustion has a larger DPET than Fireball

Combustion has infinite DPET because it doesn't have cast time!

[LocNess]

Well teeeeechnically.......

[Becks]

Can anyone explain, how Shayande is capable of beating his sim dps on Butcher by a mere 8k dps on each pull? Just scrolling through his logs it seems to be a matter of perfect Combustions / PC phases, but to be honest I don't understand how my maximum is 28k with nearly the same gear (just lacking DMF stage 3)..

[Komma]

Can anyone explain, how Shayande is capable of beating his sim dps on Butcher by a mere 8k dps on each pull? Just scrolling through his logs it seems to be a matter of perfect Combustions / PC phases, but to be honest I don't understand how my maximum is 28k with nearly the same gear (just lacking DMF stage 3)..

00:00:11.467 Shayande Fireball Prismatic Crystal 1 (Shayande) *36539*
00:00:11.467 Shayande Pyroblast Prismatic Crystal 1 (Shayande) *86409*
00:00:14.178 Shayande Pyroblast Prismatic Crystal 1 (Shayande) *76860*
00:00:14.178 Shayande Fireball Prismatic Crystal 1 (Shayande) *36540*
00:00:16.886 Shayande Fireball Prismatic Crystal 1 (Shayande) *36540*
00:00:16.886 Shayande Pyroblast Prismatic Crystal 1 (Shayande) *90581*
00:00:17.191 Shayande Pyroblast Prismatic Crystal 1 (Shayande) *25768* (Multistrike)
00:00:17.522 Shayande Pyroblast Prismatic Crystal 1 (Shayande) *27720* (Multistrike)
00:00:17.973 Shayande Pyroblast Prismatic Crystal 1 (Shayande) *86693*
00:00:19.052 Shayande Pyroblast Prismatic Crystal 1 (Shayande) *88505*
00:00:19.409 Shayande Pyroblast Prismatic Crystal 1 (Shayande) *23582* (Multistrike)
00:00:19.613 Shayande Inferno Blast Prismatic Crystal 1 (Shayande) *27598*
00:00:19.900 Shayande Combustion Prismatic Crystal 1 (Shayande) Tick 14561

Source: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FM ... iew=events" target="_blank
That's 11 crits in a row, including 3 Pyroblast multistrikes. Even with 80% crit after Critical Mass, that's an 8.6% chance.

Praise be to RNGesus, whose light hath shined upon Shayande.

That said, the number is still within simulation range for 185 second fights.

30277+-9601 certainly includes 36K.

[Becks]

Thank you very much for the clarification!

Although I noticed that all the top parses effectively use PC and Combustion on a 2min cooldown to sync those with Shards or Copeland's.

Any options for Simcraft's APL to simulate these syncs?

Cheers!

[Mybull]

Hey there, I'm sitting on 43% crit selfbuffed and im thinking about switching to PC as it aligns with Combustion perfectly. Has anyone been playing with it?

i have seen logs with PC vs Meteor. PC does more DPS on the chart compared to Meteor, however, the real damage done to the actual target itself, Meteor is way much better.

[Mybull]

Can anyone explain, how Shayande is capable of beating his sim dps on Butcher by a mere 8k dps on each pull? Just scrolling through his logs it seems to be a matter of perfect Combustions / PC phases, but to be honest I don't understand how my maximum is 28k with nearly the same gear (just lacking DMF stage 3)..

00:00:11.467 Shayande Fireball Prismatic Crystal 1 (Shayande) *36539*
00:00:11.467 Shayande Pyroblast Prismatic Crystal 1 (Shayande) *86409*
00:00:14.178 Shayande Pyroblast Prismatic Crystal 1 (Shayande) *76860*
00:00:14.178 Shayande Fireball Prismatic Crystal 1 (Shayande) *36540*
00:00:16.886 Shayande Fireball Prismatic Crystal 1 (Shayande) *36540*
00:00:16.886 Shayande Pyroblast Prismatic Crystal 1 (Shayande) *90581*
00:00:17.191 Shayande Pyroblast Prismatic Crystal 1 (Shayande) *25768* (Multistrike)
00:00:17.522 Shayande Pyroblast Prismatic Crystal 1 (Shayande) *27720* (Multistrike)
00:00:17.973 Shayande Pyroblast Prismatic Crystal 1 (Shayande) *86693*
00:00:19.052 Shayande Pyroblast Prismatic Crystal 1 (Shayande) *88505*
00:00:19.409 Shayande Pyroblast Prismatic Crystal 1 (Shayande) *23582* (Multistrike)
00:00:19.613 Shayande Inferno Blast Prismatic Crystal 1 (Shayande) *27598*
00:00:19.900 Shayande Combustion Prismatic Crystal 1 (Shayande) Tick 14561

Source: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FM ... iew=events" target="_blank
That's 11 crits in a row, including 3 Pyroblast multistrikes. Even with 80% crit after Critical Mass, that's an 8.6% chance.

Praise be to RNGesus, whose light hath shined upon Shayande.

That said, the number is still within simulation range for 185 second fights.

30277+-9601 certainly includes 36K.

I have these questions too regarding SIM dps vs real boss fight. My SIM DPS is around 27K i think and i have been doing 30K on heroic Butcher fight consistantly. I kept trying on the same boss again and again to get a better average and i still get about 30K DPS on butcher. RNG? i dunno tbh...

[Komma]

I have these questions too regarding SIM dps vs real boss fight. My SIM DPS is around 27K i think and i have been doing 30K on heroic Butcher fight consistantly. I kept trying on the same boss again and again to get a better average and i still get about 30K DPS on butcher. RNG? i dunno tbh...

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/c ... #boss=1706" target="_blank : 30.2K in 3m22

Simulating... ( iterations=1000000, target_error=0.200, max_time=202, vary_combat_length=0.00, optimal_raid=1, fight_style=Patchwerk )

Generating Baseline: [===================>] 2394/2394 Mean=31103 Error=0.195%

Generating reports...
DPS Ranking:
31105 100.0% Raid
31105 100.0% Spys

?

[Mybull]

I have these questions too regarding SIM dps vs real boss fight. My SIM DPS is around 27K i think and i have been doing 30K on heroic Butcher fight consistantly. I kept trying on the same boss again and again to get a better average and i still get about 30K DPS on butcher. RNG? i dunno tbh...

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/c ... #boss=1706" target="_blank : 30.2K in 3m22

Simulating... ( iterations=1000000, target_error=0.200, max_time=202, vary_combat_length=0.00, optimal_raid=1, fight_style=Patchwerk )

Generating Baseline: [===================>] 2394/2394 Mean=31103 Error=0.195%

Generating reports...
DPS Ranking:
31105 100.0% Raid
31105 100.0% Spys

?

the new SIM dps must be the new mythic gears i got, cuz i remember the SIMcraft DPS show me on 27K previously

[Komma]

the new SIM dps must be the new mythic gears i got, cuz i remember the SIMcraft DPS show me on 27K previously

I think it's probably more likely that your fight length was set incorrectly.