[7.2] Frost Talents, Trinkets, Racials, Stats, Legendary

[Imaskar]

BE is very low, because you probably have 33% crit and an extra 1% doesn't add much. But if you were 32%, it would be relevant.

[king_noa]

Seeing as the racial chart in the OP is quite outdated, I went ahead and resimmed racials based on my own gear.
I'm 908 with very balanced stats, using Shard+Wrists. Fight length is 450 secs +/- 10%, player skill "good".
My results are a bit different than OP:

i have the same results.

[Mage]

BE is very low, because you probably have 33% crit and an extra 1% doesn't add much. But if you were 32%, it would be relevant.

I have 24% crit buffed.

[Wulftheholy]

Also i may be blind but i don't see gnome on your list for racials?

[Mage]

Yeah, forgot the little guys...

[Imaskar]

Then idk what's wrong with BE. 1% crit (the top secondary stat) seems really good on paper, but sims so low. WTF.

[Mage]

I don't know either, but checking the results, 1% crit is factored in.

[Norrinir]

Probably related to the fact that 1% haste racials are multiplicative, while 1% crit racials are additive. In other words, the more crit you have, the worse the racial is.

[Eyliria]

Probably related to the fact that 1% haste racials are multiplicative, while 1% crit racials are additive. In other words, the more crit you have, the worse the racial is.

Hold on a sec there, chief.

If I have 30% crit and I have a 1% crit racial, my crit is going to be 31%, right?
If I have 30% haste from gear, my haste is going to be... 31,3% ?


And is critical strike damage that good?
I'm thinking of swapping out of my Draenei... 2% crit dmg seems more valuable than 425 int

[Norrinir]

Probably related to the fact that 1% haste racials are multiplicative, while 1% crit racials are additive. In other words, the more crit you have, the worse the racial is.

Hold on a sec there, chief.

If I have 30% crit and I have a 1% crit racial, my crit is going to be 31%, right?
If I have 30% haste from gear, my haste is going to be... 31,3% ?


And is critical strike damage that good?
I'm thinking of swapping out of my Draenei... 2% crit dmg seems more valuable than 425 int

That is correct. And yes, Dwarf is currently far ahead of anything else precisely because of how good 2% extra crit damage is for frost (50% of your total damage comes from a spell with near 100% crit chance).

[Frosted]

Updated all sections but weights / trinkets for 7.2.
Added Trait comparison for 7.2 introduced traits under the Relics section.

[TurkeyOne]

Is sephuz being procced on cd in those legendary stack rankings or is it just stats+passive?

edit: answer seems to be that its the passive

[Laodi]

Is sephuz being procced on cd in those legendary stack rankings or is it just stats+passive?

edit: answer seems to be that its the passive

Better question: Is there a reliable easy ways to get sephuz procced in simcraft? There are many bosses out there which can proc it and i hope IceTime is still "bugged" after 7.2 hit to also proc sephuz.
As someone with Sephuz, IceTime and Zanne i would like to know if seph+IT is better then Seph+Zanne. (with the sephuzproc)

[Zulandia]

Add a casting raid event:

Code: Select all

raid_events+=/casting,cooldown=x,duration=y

change x and y to whatever you want (in whole seconds) to mimic however many procs you want.

[Zlimex]

Why are the legendary bracers better than the shard of exodar now?

[Mage]

Because we got 5 new points in traits that buff IL.

[wayniac87]

Seeing as the racial chart in the OP is quite outdated, I went ahead and resimmed racials based on my own gear.
I'm 908 with very balanced stats, using Shard+Wrists. Fight length is 450 secs +/- 10%, player skill "good".
My results are a bit different than OP:

regarding this sims did you consider the fact that feasts will give 500 int now thus panda has 1000 mainstat?

[pleblius]

Just an interesting note, because one of our other mages asked me about it.

With Zannesu+Prydaz, Crit is decently low value. I had to run reforge plots to get to an optimal stat distribution, but I ended up with: 24% Crit, 30% Haste, 33% Mastery, 7% Versatility in raid.

Just thought it was curious.


Edit: This was for me and my gear specifically. Before I got the belt I had been at 33% Crit, 22% Haste, 40% Mastery, 3% Versatility

[Funkyfire]

Since some people are ranting about the OPs artifact path: SIM YOURSELF!
I had too much time and simmed every single (new) trait for my toon and got slightly different results.

The sims for my toon (no frost leggies) result in the following order (DPS-per-trait-wise):
Obsidian Lance x4 > Clarity of Thought > Let it go > Ice Age > Freezing Rain > Glacial Eruption > Icy Caress > Frozen Veins > Orbital Strike > meh traits.

Always keep in mind that traits may give insanely different benefits depending on gear, especially legendaries. If you want to be 100% save, just spend the 15 minutes on simming. It may pay off more than crying later on the forums.

[Xinder]

You guys running the feast food in raids now or still doing your best secondary stat for food? 500 int I would think would win out now, given frost doesn't have any secondary stats over Int if you're playing TV. If you play GS that's a different story.