[TC] Is 14242 really "The Haste Cap"?

[Komma]

I have a question regarding this.
You have worked for a time on the APL using a certain gear profile. You maximized it and then happy with the results you released it. Now you compare stats again, but you are comparing them using an APL that is maximized for another gear profile. So essentially my question is, how are you sure that this analysis you have done here does account for playstyle changes due to more haste?
Cheers

Off the top of my head, there are 3 main changes to the APL in the past few months. Here's how haste interacts with each of them:
1. Sync AT with PBoI. No significant interaction with haste.
2. Remove FoF camping for 2T16. No significant interaction with haste.
3. FoF camping during meta proc/bloodlust. Minor interaction with haste; going beyond 14242 gave a tiny decrease to the gains from this, because of worsened GCD capping during heroism + meta.

Basically, the playstyle hasn't been changed enough for stat weights to differ by any significant amount.

[Berlinia]

Ah okay,

I wasn't aware if that was the case, it just seemed like an obvious concern
Ill try this out next week as my guild allows me to go frost yay!
Cheers

[Mageski]

I switched to 15,832 this week. To quote George Takei, "Ohhh myyy". This is purely anecdotal given the incredibly small sample size (3 fights and then blackfuse attempts). My previous rank on Malkorok improved from 430k to 452k. Spoils went from 310k dps to 351k. (I can't give the new build full credit on this given the huge gap). Thok improved to 401k.

The cons: I can feel the GCD lag during lust. It's definitely hurting me some to be higher when my meta procs during lust.

The pros: Extra NT tick. Faster casts outside of lust seem to provide better DPS overall as well as further reducing the movement penalty when casting. I can actually just sneak in an Invocation at 15+ stacks on Thok without waiting for a meta proc.

Overall verdict:
I don't recommend this for everyone, but it's certainly worth simming and testing. It's working very well for me so far, but my gear level is not typical. I'm not sure how 15,832 compares to 14,242 because I was already at 15,100ish. For me, I'm quite pleased with this new setup and it leaves me some more options for gear upgrades since I'm not desperate for Mastery.

[Magictheo]

Hello everyone.

Now we have two possibilties for haste, 14242 or 15832.

Is there a general answer which is better?

Is there a trick (macro condition or something else) to solve the problems at meta and hero?

Thanks a lot

[durrtygoodz]

What problem do you speak of?

[Mageski]

The issue with meta/hero is only that there's a "dead" time between casts because you've gone past 1 second frostbolts. There's nothing you can do about it, it's just a little annoying.

[Komma]

Just a reminder because I keep getting questions regarding 14242/15697/15836.

This TC analysis was done at full 588 itemlevel best in slot, with more than 20K mastery rating from gear. If you aren't fully decked out in heroic and heroic warforged items, the "haste = mastery between 14242 and 15697 haste" statement might not apply to you.

This is for end game optimizing. If you're still progressing and are 20 itemlevels short of reaching that mark, the traditional "14242 haste and then mastery" rule is just fine.

[Huunu]

Just a reminder because I keep getting questions regarding 14242/15697/15836.

This TC analysis was done at full 588 itemlevel best in slot, with more than 20K mastery rating from gear. If you aren't fully decked out in heroic and heroic warforged items, the "haste = mastery between 14242 and 15697 haste" statement might not apply to you.

This is for end game optimizing. If you're still progressing and are 20 itemlevels short of reaching that mark, the traditional "14242 haste and then mastery" rule is just fine.

Is this mentioned haste 15697 or 15853 ?

[durrtygoodz]

15697 is the number where SimC showed mastery gaining value over frost.
15832 is a NT breakpoint that people can go for since it's only ~130 rating higher than 15697.

[Huunu]

15697 is the number where SimC showed mastery gaining value over frost.
15832 is a NT breakpoint that people can go for since it's only ~130 rating higher than 15697.

15697 is fine then. But point is whats the goblin haste cap ? It must be way lower than 15697

[durrtygoodz]

I answered in Drjays thread

[Haakenloob]

Hey guys. Just found out about this site and I love it already, so thanks! Quick question about Komma's last post; how do I know when the 14242 haste mark is no longer good for me? I'm currently 580 with mostly heroic pieces, sitting at just shy of 18k mastery from gear (the way I'm currently gemmed/reforged). At this point, am I better off with 15697/15832 haste, or should I stick to 14242 until i get to the 588ish /20k mastery from gear? Thanks!

[Kuni]

Hey guys.

14242 and don't worry about any extra you happen to have. It's equal in value up to 15697, so don't worry about going up to there. If you happen to be up around there, 15832 is potentially worth the slight loss if you're on an NT fight. That's all this thread is supposed to mean.

[Magictheo]

Is it 15832 raid buffed or only from gear?

[Komma]

Is it 15832 raid buffed or only from gear?

Raid buffs do not give haste rating.

[Magictheo]

spell haste from dudu?!

[Komma]

Spell haste buff is 5% multiplicative haste. It does not give any haste rating.