Glacial Spike - Updated

[Sleepymages]

I was reading this guide (yes, I know, not optimized for next patch yet, doesn't matter) and looking at a youtube clip by Evandis (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOt-m3RsRYI" target="_blank).
Is there a reason why he/she's not using FoF procs? In the clip you can often see him/her having one or more FoF procs but still casting Frost Bolt.
I'm new to GS build though, but in my current gear it sims about equal to my TV build, so wanted to try it out for fun, but now I'm confused as I'm used to spending as much FoF procs as possible.

With the current live patch you don't have to spend FoF right away, but you don't want to munch them either. In the video it seems like they are leveraging the 2pc T20 and avoiding IL when frozen orb is up to maximize GS damage. IL's are hitting for 900k while they are doing 1.1M DPS. Maybe they shouldn't cast IL at all

Overall I'm not sure what the optimal rotation will look like in 7.2.5. Since flurry is likely to still be highest damage/execute time there may be a breakpoint where you flurry freely at less that 3 icicles (or something) and hold it to shatter spike if it procs later in the cycle. It's possible it would be best to ignore FoF? Perhaps using the legendary bracers makes a difference in the optimal rotation as well?

[Razlopp]

Everything should be brought up to date, should have the basics all on it with room for some more extra info. Let me know if I missed something etc. <3

[3lorian]

Couple questions. At least until I get the helm would you recommend upgrading KJBW after Shard and before Mags. The ST is o lay slightly less and the 2 target and 4 is insanely higher

Also would you include KJBW in with the on use limit?

Finally what's your thought in Horns for GS?

[Apu]

Thanks for the updated guide, but I have a few questions about the rotation.

Would you ever hold GS for a BF proc?

Would you ever use the BF proc from an Ebonbolt to shatter a GS rather than the Ebonbolt?

Do you ever sit on Icicle procs to pump out more GS or is the risk of munching too high?

Thanks in advance!

[Razlopp]

3lorian - I believe KJ would be fine to upgrade after, just depends what ya got. Also the on use for legos I believe doesn't clash with non legendary trinkets. I believe horn to be a fine trinket, be sure to sim it to find out where it places. Sims will be updated on Tuesday with the most up to date APL built in

Apu - The listed priority I have has you currently holding BF at 3 icicles. Currently it seems worth it to always shatter Ebonbolt. The only time it's worth holding GS and munching icicles is if Frozen Orb with T20 2pc is coming off cd sooner than 10 seconds.

Cheers.

[3lorian]

Razlopp, I have them all I was jsut thinking that it looks like KJBW/Shard combo ranks 3rd (by a slim margin) 1st and 3rd whiolke shard mags ranks 2nd and 4th

[subtlexgaming]

Rotation still up to date? Basically just use GS when no other spells of better priority is available? Save flurry at 3 icicles etc.

[DeathDefier]

Razlopp, I have them all I was jsut thinking that it looks like KJBW/Shard combo ranks 3rd (by a slim margin) 1st and 3rd whiolke shard mags ranks 2nd and 4th

Those rankings are by no means going to be the same for your character, especially the stat stick-esque legendaries. Stat weights for GS are all over the place depending on how much you have in every stat, and those rankings are only for that specific setup. Always best to sim stuff for your own character before making decisions like that.

[Sugisaki]

I love this spec, but find myself running a little behind on a lot of my guildies damage wise, I am running at close to crit cap, 20% haste, 60% mastery and 5.66% Versi... Am I doing something wrong with my gearing? Help would be very much appreciated.

[StoneDog0055]

@Sugisaki Right now on live a TV spec will do more dmg in most raid encounters. However that all changes Tuesday and GS will be king.

[Razlopp]

subtlexgaming - Yep rotation should still be up to date, that's pretty much all there is to it. There is some more detailed stuff like don't use your GS if frozen orb is coming up in 10 seconds, and silly stuff like that. I will add an advanced rotation section asap just wanted to get the guide out and updated

[3lorian]

How is Terror simming so high? Does it have an insane proc rate?

[Razlopp]

How is Terror simming so high? Does it have an insane proc rate?

The proc rate on it is actually not the greatest however, it does hit for a ton and the other trinkets being terrible is what makes it great.

Still rng on it's proc but over a full fight the RNG isin't half bad.

[subtlexgaming]

yes I am looking forward to the advanced technique section a lot thx dude, the orb is a lot of it i feel. how to handle cd's etc during orb.

[TurkeyOne]

I really like how you did the relic rankings. Its a pretty subtle change from how most of them are listed but I like how it leaves no real room for someone to make a mistake

[Razlopp]

Thanks, my main goal is to keep the guide really easy to understand and also have all the information available. It can get complicated fast so hopefully I can keep it under control

[Vexim]

Good stuff Razzman. Have been eyeing off the #resrearch channel in discord watching all this stuff for weeks now, really looking forward to getting back to GS.

[zentruth]

Razz, quick question on trinket since it is not there at the 1st page. What do you think of Stormsinger Fulmination Charge? I have 905 one with socket and seems that the proc of mastery can be quite crazy. (unfortunately I don't have whisper 910, only 900; hence, this question).

Let me know your thought. Thanks.

[subtlexgaming]

Given the priority you listed, I am assuming if you have a flurry proc and ebonbolt and GS are ready..you shatter ebonbolt first knowing you'll get another flurry to shatter GS.

[Andrestes]

Razz, quick question on trinket since it is not there at the 1st page. What do you think of Stormsinger Fulmination Charge? I have 905 one with socket and seems that the proc of mastery can be quite crazy. (unfortunately I don't have whisper 910, only 900; hence, this question).

Let me know your thought. Thanks.

I'm not sure how good it will be overall, but it is one of the trinkets this guy used to get a 60 million+ GS crit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y0ch_R2bw0