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Uaeko
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Re: Glacial Spike - How to Ham 101

Unread postby Uaeko Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:51 pm

Quick Q:

7.2.5 resources trinket ranking chart was done (or is labeled as done) on June 23rd. Putting us before the changes. Were they re-run?

I am doing own sims in the meantime. Just curious. :D May the mythic bosses drop for all of ya!
Magiatus
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Re: Glacial Spike - How to Ham 101

Unread postby Magiatus Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:59 pm

Quick Q:

7.2.5 resources trinket ranking chart was done (or is labeled as done) on June 23rd. Putting us before the changes. Were they re-run?

I am doing own sims in the meantime. Just curious. :D May the mythic bosses drop for all of ya!
I was wondering the same thing. With the recent nerf, does that mean that the TV build is the better build now?
Uaeko
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Re: Glacial Spike - How to Ham 101

Unread postby Uaeko Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:09 pm

"Better Build"

yes and No.

Some getting better results TV some GS. Depends on gear, etc.

Sim yo self. Is the usual reply. :D
Magiatus
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Re: Glacial Spike - How to Ham 101

Unread postby Magiatus Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:24 pm

"Better Build"

yes and No.

Some getting better results TV some GS. Depends on gear, etc.

Sim yo self. Is the usual reply. :D
I get that. I'm always simming myself. But it would be nice to know which items to look for.
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Re: Glacial Spike - How to Ham 101

Unread postby Zulandia Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:33 pm

7.2.5 resources trinket ranking chart was done (or is labeled as done) on June 23rd. Putting us before the changes. Were they re-run?
They were not/says as much on the TODO section of that sheet...should be soon I just need to find time. The nature of the change however will have minimal impact on the rankings themselves though. Simming your own toon however is still the preferred method as gear values can be extremely volatile.
Uaeko
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Re: Glacial Spike - How to Ham 101

Unread postby Uaeko Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:51 pm

Thanks Zul.

And apologies, missed the todo section. And I mean, seriously, who still *reads* in 2017? ;D
Dendrofiili
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Re: Glacial Spike - How to Ham 101

Unread postby Dendrofiili Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:25 pm

So, just wondering. How are the stat priorities now that spike got changed?

Critcap > versa > haste > mastery?
Xaximbo
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Re: Glacial Spike - How to Ham 101

Unread postby Xaximbo Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:33 am

the meme of the forum is sim yourself but this is yet another case... if you have low mastery it will sim as the highest priority stat so the best you can do is sim every time you equip an item.
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Lahrast
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Re: Glacial Spike - How to Ham 101

Unread postby Lahrast Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:06 pm

Generaly gs likes around 50% mastery, critcap and then depending on gear either vers or haste in some fashion. As usually Just fucking sim yourself, raidbots makes this easier then ever
Taelon
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Re: Glacial Spike - How to Ham 101

Unread postby Taelon Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:48 am

The guide says only one Frozen veins relic is needed.
But im confused, atm i have one but Icy veins and medallion trinket dont allign.
Wouldn't i need atleast 2 or maybe 3 to get them to allign with eachother?

Also dam, the critcap and mastery being crap is gonne be a pain with gearing.
nickseng
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Re: Glacial Spike - How to Ham 101

Unread postby nickseng Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:47 am

The guide says only one Frozen veins relic is needed.
But im confused, atm i have one but Icy veins and medallion trinket dont allign.
Wouldn't i need atleast 2 or maybe 3 to get them to allign with eachother?

Also dam, the critcap and mastery being crap is gonne be a pain with gearing.
You won't be able to get them to align totally, but with 1 FV relic, trinket usually comes off cd about 15 seconds before IV, which is good enough.
2 or more FV relics usually makes IV come off cd before the trinket and holding IV is usually a bad idea. This is why more than 1 of the relic is not ideal
Taelon
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Re: Glacial Spike - How to Ham 101

Unread postby Taelon Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:10 pm

Thanks for the explanation and dam thats quite a big difference with me. I ussually have 30seconds left on Icy veins.
That is with 4p T19 so could be im more ocupied with icelances especially in AoE.
I also have a tendancy to move a bit more.

I wonder how much one relic reduces Icy Veins CD. I thought it be 10seconds.
Srig
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Re: Glacial Spike - How to Ham 101

Unread postby Srig Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:39 pm

Was pretty surprised to find that 900 Spectral Thurible and 905 Charm of the Rising Tide simmed higher for me than 880 Whispers + 860 Arcanocrystal.

not a lot, but higher. in fact, an 880 Int+ Vers stat stick simmed higher for me than the arcanocrystal; I guess my main stats are high enough sans arcanocrystal now that I can finally perform without it.
magnuskn
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Re: Glacial Spike - How to Ham 101

Unread postby magnuskn Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:44 pm

So, any reason why nobody is posting in this thread anymore? I'm using Glacial Spike with great success (for my own standards, doing only HC content), so it can't be that the playstyle suddenly has ceased being relevant. Why no 7.3 update? Or is it unnecessary, everything going "just as planned"?
Xinder
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Re: Glacial Spike - How to Ham 101

Unread postby Xinder Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:01 pm

So, any reason why nobody is posting in this thread anymore? I'm using Glacial Spike with great success (for my own standards, doing only HC content), so it can't be that the playstyle suddenly has ceased being relevant. Why no 7.3 update? Or is it unnecessary, everything going "just as planned"?
I haven't checked in with Raz in the mage discord but it's very likely he's playing TV frost and/or Fire for progression in Mythic. I don't know anyone who is playing GS in Mythic unless it's on a reclear of the early bosses and is doing it for giggles. When they changed GS to not double dip and reduced how helpful our mastery was(read killed mastery for frost), it changed how good GS was with more gear. It's no longer scaling as well as it did before they changed the double dipping.
magnuskn
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Re: Glacial Spike - How to Ham 101

Unread postby magnuskn Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:57 am

Luckily it still holds up in HC gameplay, at least for me. I am not dominating the meters, but keeping up with the rest (ever after missing four weeks of raiding while on vacation) and we got ToS HC on farm.

Oh, well. As long as the playstyle is viable until the end of Legion I am satisfied. The devs then will have to re-do all the balancing anyway, not to mention integrating artifact abilities into core mechanics. Who knows if TV and GS will even still be a thing in the next expansion.
jayinjersey
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Re: Glacial Spike - How to Ham 101

Unread postby jayinjersey Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:50 pm

So here's my question

how do I get the damn game to give me the TW ring? :evil:





But in all seriousness, all lists I've seen show the best combo of stuff I have to be bracers/helm...but everytime I put my necks and bracers in the Raidbots top gear it tells me to go Pyrdraz instead.

Is that just cause my necklaces suck or is it not valuing the DPS of the bracers as much as it should be?
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Vexim
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Re: Glacial Spike - How to Ham 101

Unread postby Vexim Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:56 pm

Any APL/gear optimized T21 GS sims floating around that anyone know of?
fungames22
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Re: Glacial Spike - How to Ham 101

Unread postby fungames22 Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:12 pm

do you have an actions list - APL?

I want to build one like

prepot
hero
rune of power
icy
trinkets
orb
frostbolt
glacial spike
frostbolt
glacial spike


no flurrying or icelancing or ebonbolting

I am experimenting with a high crit build.

Let me know how I do this custom rotation.
fungames22
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Re: Glacial Spike - How to Ham 101

Unread postby fungames22 Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:34 pm

I also wanna do crit/verse gear only

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