7.1.0 Glacial Spike T19M Profile and Spec Explanation
Re: Glacial Spike T19M Profile and Spec Explanation
Any tests or ideas how will http://www.wowhead.com/item=137367/stor ... dropped-by" target="_blank
trinket affect this build?
trinket affect this build?
Re: Glacial Spike T19M Profile and Spec Explanation
no, but you can easily take the apl, plug it into SimC, and put your gearset in and then useAny tests or ideas how will http://www.wowhead.com/item=137367/stor ... dropped-by" target="_blank
trinket affect this build?
copy="new_trinket"
<put trinket information here>
And it'll show you the difference between your current gear set with this build and the new gear set with this build using that trinket.
Due to the fact it's got flat INT on it it'll be ok, but the proc probably isn't very strong.
Re: Glacial Spike T19M Profile and Spec Explanation
Do you icelance with the flurry?
- hellfreeze
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Re: Glacial Spike T19M Profile and Spec Explanation
Got some more out of it, but it means you have to press more buttons:
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mage="Mastery_GS_T19M_HF"
level=110
race=dwarf
role=spell
position=back
talents=2123122
artifact=53:142186:133070:142186:0:783:1:784:6:785:3:786:3:787:3:788:3:789:3:791:3:792:3:793:1:794:1:795:1:796:1:797:1:798:1:1296:1
spec=frost
# This default action priority list is automatically created based on your character.
# It is a attempt to provide you with a action list that is both simple and practicable,
# while resulting in a meaningful and good simulation. It may not result in the absolutely highest possible dps.
# Feel free to edit, adapt and improve it to your own needs.
# SimulationCraft is always looking for updates and improvements to the default action lists.
# Executed before combat begins. Accepts non-harmful actions only.
actions.precombat=flask,type=flask_of_the_whispered_pact
actions.precombat+=/food,type=nightborne_delicacy_platter
actions.precombat+=/augmentation,type=defiled
actions.precombat+=/water_elemental
actions.precombat+=/snapshot_stats
actions.precombat+=/mirror_image
actions.precombat+=/potion,name=potion_of_prolonged_power
actions.precombat+=/frostbolt
# Executed every time the actor is available.
actions=counterspell,if=target.debuff.casting.react
actions+=/time_warp,if=(time=0&buff.bloodlust.down)|(buff.bloodlust.down&equipped.132410)
actions+=/call_action_list,name=cooldowns
actions+=/flurry,if=buff.brain_freeze.react&prev_gcd.frostbolt
actions+=/blizzard,if=buff.zannesu_journey.stack>4|buff.zannesu_journey.remains<cast_time+1&equipped.133970
actions+=/ice_lance,if=buff.fingers_of_frost.react>0&buff.chain_reaction.react>2&(equipped.138140|equipped.132411)
actions+=/ice_lance,if=buff.fingers_of_frost.react>0&buff.chain_reaction.react>1&buff.rune_of_power.down
actions+=/frozen_orb,if=buff.rune_of_power.down
actions+=/glacial_spike
#actions+=/frozen_orb
actions+=/frostbolt
actions.cooldowns=rune_of_power,if=cooldown.icy_veins.remains<cast_time|charges_fractional>1.7&cooldown.icy_veins.remains>38|buff.icy_veins.up|target.time_to_die.remains+5<charges_fractional*22
actions.cooldowns+=/icy_veins,if=buff.icy_veins.down
actions.cooldowns+=/mirror_image
actions.cooldowns+=/use_item,slot=neck
actions.cooldowns+=/use_item,slot=trinket2
actions.cooldowns+=/blood_fury
actions.cooldowns+=/berserking
actions.cooldowns+=/arcane_torrent
actions.cooldowns+=/potion,name=potion_of_prolonged_power,if=cooldown.icy_veins.remains<5
head=hood_of_darkened_visions,id=139189,bonus_id=1806
neck=sorcerous_shadowruby_pendant,id=130233,bonus_id=1758/689/601/669,stats=1300mastery_500crit,gems=150mastery,enchant=mark_of_the_hidden_satyr,ilevel=855
shoulders=ancient_dreamwoven_mantle,id=139191,bonus_id=1502/1807
back=gossamer-spun_greatcloak,id=138221,bonus_id=1502,enchant=binding_of_intellect
chest=maddening_robe_of_secrets,id=139193,bonus_id=1806
wrists=ragged_fur_wristwraps,id=139196,bonus_id=1806
hands=oiled_riggers_handwraps,id=142429,bonus_id=1502
waist=cinch_of_light,id=142411,bonus_id=3469
legs=ragged_horrorweave_leggings,id=139190,bonus_id=1806
feet=crimson_woollined_slippers,id=139195,bonus_id=1806
finger1=mindrend_band,id=138220,bonus_id=1806,enchant=binding_of_mastery
finger2=shard_of_the_exodar,gems=150mastery,id=132410,enchant_id=5429
trinket1=,id=141482,bonus_id=1492
trinket2=,id=142166
main_hand=ebonchill,id=128862,ilevel=906
Re: Glacial Spike T19M Profile and Spec Explanation
Did a bit of relic testing. Using Hellfreeze's profile and 25k iterations:
FYI: ilvl noted here is weapon ilvl, not relic ilvl. So a +10 ilvl is something around +30 to +35 relic level
My takeaway from doing this is just how powerful Icy Caress is, even when using standard rotation on 4 enemies. At some point the blizzard relic will do more damage, but... well that requires more testing, and a slightly adjusted APL that properly uses it on aoe.
1 target
2 target
4 target
With Zann'esu (and thus, using Blizzard):
1 target
2 target
4 target
Code used:
FYI: ilvl noted here is weapon ilvl, not relic ilvl. So a +10 ilvl is something around +30 to +35 relic level
My takeaway from doing this is just how powerful Icy Caress is, even when using standard rotation on 4 enemies. At some point the blizzard relic will do more damage, but... well that requires more testing, and a slightly adjusted APL that properly uses it on aoe.
1 target
2 target
4 target
With Zann'esu (and thus, using Blizzard):
1 target
2 target
4 target
Code used:
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mage="Frostbolt Damage/Icy Caress"
level=110
race=dwarf
role=spell
position=back
talents=2123122
artifact=53:0:0:0:0:783:1:784:3:785:3:786:3:787:3:788:3:789:3:790:3:791:3:792:3:793:1:794:1:795:1:796:1:797:1:798:1:1296:1
spec=frost
# This default action priority list is automatically created based on your character.
# It is a attempt to provide you with a action list that is both simple and practicable,
# while resulting in a meaningful and good simulation. It may not result in the absolutely highest possible dps.
# Feel free to edit, adapt and improve it to your own needs.
# SimulationCraft is always looking for updates and improvements to the default action lists.
# Executed before combat begins. Accepts non-harmful actions only.
actions.precombat=flask,type=flask_of_the_whispered_pact
actions.precombat+=/food,type=nightborne_delicacy_platter
actions.precombat+=/augmentation,type=defiled
actions.precombat+=/water_elemental
actions.precombat+=/snapshot_stats
actions.precombat+=/mirror_image
actions.precombat+=/potion,name=potion_of_prolonged_power
actions.precombat+=/frostbolt
# Executed every time the actor is available.
actions=counterspell,if=target.debuff.casting.react
actions+=/time_warp,if=(time=0&buff.bloodlust.down)|(buff.bloodlust.down&equipped.132410)
actions+=/call_action_list,name=cooldowns
actions+=/flurry,if=buff.brain_freeze.react&prev_gcd.frostbolt
actions+=/blizzard,if=buff.zannesu_journey.stack>4|buff.zannesu_journey.remains<cast_time+1&equipped.133970
actions+=/ice_lance,if=buff.fingers_of_frost.react>0&buff.chain_reaction.react>2&(equipped.138140|equipped.132411)
actions+=/ice_lance,if=buff.fingers_of_frost.react>0&buff.chain_reaction.react>1&buff.rune_of_power.down
actions+=/frozen_orb,if=buff.rune_of_power.down
actions+=/glacial_spike
#actions+=/frozen_orb
actions+=/frostbolt
actions.cooldowns=rune_of_power,if=cooldown.icy_veins.remains<cast_time|charges_fractional>1.7&cooldown.icy_veins.remains>38|buff.icy_veins.up|target.time_to_die.remains+5<charges_fractional*22
actions.cooldowns+=/icy_veins,if=buff.icy_veins.down
actions.cooldowns+=/mirror_image
actions.cooldowns+=/use_item,slot=neck
actions.cooldowns+=/blood_fury
actions.cooldowns+=/berserking
actions.cooldowns+=/arcane_torrent
actions.cooldowns+=/potion,name=potion_of_prolonged_power,if=cooldown.icy_veins.remains<5
head=hood_of_darkened_visions,id=139189,bonus_id=1806
neck=sorcerous_shadowruby_pendant,id=130233,bonus_id=1758/689/601/669,stats=1300mastery_500crit,gems=150mastery,enchant=mark_of_the_hidden_satyr,ilevel=855
shoulders=ancient_dreamwoven_mantle,id=139191,bonus_id=1502/1807
back=gossamer-spun_greatcloak,id=138221,bonus_id=1502,enchant=binding_of_intellect
chest=maddening_robe_of_secrets,id=139193,bonus_id=1806
wrists=ragged_fur_wristwraps,id=139196,bonus_id=1806
hands=oiled_riggers_handwraps,id=142429,bonus_id=1502
waist=cinch_of_light,id=142411,bonus_id=3469
#waist=zannesu_journey,id=133970
legs=ragged_horrorweave_leggings,id=139190,bonus_id=1806
feet=crimson_woollined_slippers,id=139195,bonus_id=1806
finger1=mindrend_band,id=138220,bonus_id=1806,enchant=binding_of_mastery
finger2=shard_of_the_exodar,gems=150mastery,id=132410,enchant_id=5429
trinket1=,id=141482,bonus_id=1492
trinket2=,id=142166
main_hand=ebonchill,id=128862,ilevel=906,gem_id=142186/133070/142186/0
copy="Icy Vein Reduction/Frozen Veins"
main_hand=ebonchill,id=128862,ilevel=906,gem_id=137340/142305/137340/0
copy="Flurry Damage/Ice Age"
main_hand=ebonchill,id=128862,ilevel=906,gem_id=137308/137379/137308/0
copy="Flurry Proc Chance/Clarity of Thought"
main_hand=ebonchill,id=128862,ilevel=906,gem_id=137380/133768/137380/0
copy="Flurry Proc Chance ilvl+5"
main_hand=ebonchill,id=128862,ilevel=911,gem_id=137380/133768/137380/0
copy="Flurry Proc Chance ilvl+10"
main_hand=ebonchill,id=128862,ilevel=916,gem_id=137380/133768/137380/0
copy="Frost Orb Crit Damage/Orbital Strike"
main_hand=ebonchill,id=128862,ilevel=906,gem_id=137370/137473/137370/0
copy="Blizzard Crit%/The Storm Rages"
main_hand=ebonchill,id=128862,ilevel=906,gem_id=137466/137303/137466/0
copy="Ice Lance Crit Damage/Let It Go"
main_hand=ebonchill,id=128862,ilevel=906,gem_id=137272/136691/137272/0
- fungames22
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Re: Glacial Spike T19M Profile and Spec Explanation
Today I started gearing for this and running mythics with this. Gosh dang I am impressed. Sitting at 863 ilvl and 3 icy caress frostbolt damage relics, I really can not go wrong. My relic is level 28 and I went It's cold outside before going Ice Age/Clarity of thought but I have 2 in ice age and 1 in clarity, my next point will go into clarity (I think). Unless someone recommends Ice Age for some reason. I also have Icy Hand but prior to this I was a Crit/Haste Lonely Winter Build.
I have tried RoF/FrostBomb/TV build or even with BC instead of RoF and I hate the play style, sometimes it really under performs and hits like a wet noodle.
Couple questions - during Rune of Power - is it better to icelance /brainfreeze if you get procs or continue with frostbolt/glacialspikes and save them for the second rune and dump it with the frozen orb or after the second rune?
I have tried RoF/FrostBomb/TV build or even with BC instead of RoF and I hate the play style, sometimes it really under performs and hits like a wet noodle.
Couple questions - during Rune of Power - is it better to icelance /brainfreeze if you get procs or continue with frostbolt/glacialspikes and save them for the second rune and dump it with the frozen orb or after the second rune?
- fungames22
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Re: Glacial Spike T19M Profile and Spec Explanation
Did a bit of relic testing. Using Hellfreeze's profile and 25k iterations:
1 target
I do not know how to read this at all.
Does this mean the proc chance is only higher if it is 10ilvls higher than the frost bolt one?
- fungames22
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Re: Glacial Spike T19M Profile and Spec Explanation
actions+=/ice_lance,if=buff.fingers_of_frost.react>0&buff.chain_reaction.react>2&(equipped.138140|equipped.132411) does this line mean if we do not have the bracers or the gloves we should not icelance at all?
- hellfreeze
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Re: Glacial Spike T19M Profile and Spec Explanation
There is actually a small gain to ice lance outside of ROP at 2/3 stacks of CR, but it is <1%. It is also a very small gain to FO, but only outside of ROP.
If you want to press less buttons and not worry about IL and FO, you will still do very close to optimal DPS with this build.
If you want to press less buttons and not worry about IL and FO, you will still do very close to optimal DPS with this build.
Re: Glacial Spike T19M Profile and Spec Explanation
I would like to see some more numbers from this simcrafts, for example average GS hit and percentage of crit hits of GS. Also Fight length?
Because on dummy with 33 crit chance I am about 15-20 percent crit hits of GS on 6 min fights. And this make very big difference in overall dps.
I am very affraid of very crit GS depend build here in 5-7 min boss fight.
Yesterday i did with this build on ursoc 340k dps (crit chance 30 percent) and I hit only 2 glacial spikes as a CRIT during one encounter. Sad.
I really dont want to believe in this sentence : "This build will work on 15+ mins boss fights"
Because on dummy with 33 crit chance I am about 15-20 percent crit hits of GS on 6 min fights. And this make very big difference in overall dps.
I am very affraid of very crit GS depend build here in 5-7 min boss fight.
Yesterday i did with this build on ursoc 340k dps (crit chance 30 percent) and I hit only 2 glacial spikes as a CRIT during one encounter. Sad.
I really dont want to believe in this sentence : "This build will work on 15+ mins boss fights"
Re: Glacial Spike T19M Profile and Spec Explanation
Take the profile, plug it into SimC, set thee settings you want, and you will get what you're asking for.I would like to see some more numbers from this simcrafts, for example average GS hit and percentage of crit hits of GS. Also Fight length?
Because on dummy with 33 crit chance I am about 15-20 percent crit hits of GS on 6 min fights. And this make very big difference in overall dps.
I am very affraid of very crit GS depend build here in 5-7 min boss fight.
Yesterday i did with this build on ursoc 340k dps (crit chance 30 percent) and I hit only 2 glacial spikes as a CRIT during one encounter. Sad.
I really dont want to believe in this sentence : "This build will work on 15+ mins boss fights"
The SimC report will give you all the information you're asking. You can also attempt to find a log with it.
Here is Preheat's alt on Mythic Xav: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rD ... e&source=4" target="_blank
Preheat's alt has also ran GS spec on a few other encounters.
The build has an extreme variance. The dps comparison chart shows that with the margins. This build is not more efficient, consistent, or damaging than Thermal Void Frost builds, but this build does require much less skill to play.
Re: Glacial Spike T19M Profile and Spec Explanation
Pretty much. The actual breakpoint may be +9, or perhaps even closer to +8, but that's still a ton of relic ilvl. Remember that +8 weapon ilvl is something around 25** relic ilvl, so it's pretty significant.I do not know how to read this at all.
Does this mean the proc chance is only higher if it is 10ilvls higher than the frost bolt one?
**Estimate. Sometimes weapon ilvl skips oddly compared to relic ilvl.
Re: Glacial Spike T19M Profile and Spec Explanation
Artifact Traits are not shown in first message. İmages are broken i guess. İs there any mastery cap for this build? I have %80 mastery and %15 crit . Should i adjust them or what? I want to play a funny spec And this spec looks fun. Also what is the final state of this build? Is it viable?
Re: Glacial Spike T19M Profile and Spec Explanation
Images show for me. They're hidden in a spoiler tag to save space. Click show and then you should see them.Artifact Traits are not shown in first message. İmages are broken i guess. İs there any mastery cap for this build? I have %80 mastery and %15 crit . Should i adjust them or what? I want to play a funny spec And this spec looks fun. Also what is the final state of this build? Is it viable?
Is there a mastery cap? Not that I have found. There are some breakpoints where Crit and Mastery are equal to each other in stat weights.
Re: Glacial Spike T19M Profile and Spec Explanation
I have the exact same experience, it seems like GS crit chance is bugged. With 25% crit I am seeing openers with 8-10 non crit GS in a row ~50% of the time, which makes this build a joke.I would like to see some more numbers from this simcrafts, for example average GS hit and percentage of crit hits of GS. Also Fight length?
Because on dummy with 33 crit chance I am about 15-20 percent crit hits of GS on 6 min fights. And this make very big difference in overall dps.
I am very affraid of very crit GS depend build here in 5-7 min boss fight.
Yesterday i did with this build on ursoc 340k dps (crit chance 30 percent) and I hit only 2 glacial spikes as a CRIT during one encounter. Sad.
Re: Glacial Spike T19M Profile and Spec Explanation
Judging on my experiences, it has performed very well. Here's a log from Ursoc: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3T ... amage-done" target="_blank
Re: Glacial Spike T19M Profile and Spec Explanation
Your logs are private.
But yeah, looking at data from a whole raid, crit % is as expected. However, this build is RNG to the extreme which IMO makes it completely non viable for DPS checks on progression. It's like the opposite of old frost - reliable, sustained damage. Instead we get swings of hundreds of thousands depending on procs and crits of specific spells.
But yeah, looking at data from a whole raid, crit % is as expected. However, this build is RNG to the extreme which IMO makes it completely non viable for DPS checks on progression. It's like the opposite of old frost - reliable, sustained damage. Instead we get swings of hundreds of thousands depending on procs and crits of specific spells.
Re: Glacial Spike T19M Profile and Spec Explanation
I tried doubling my mastery almost.. going from 45% to 82%. SimC with the latest profile shows a 2k increase in DPS.
Don't really understand this.
When I scaled at 45% it showed mastery just slightly ahead of haste, int and crit in fact.
Don't really understand this.
When I scaled at 45% it showed mastery just slightly ahead of haste, int and crit in fact.
Re: Glacial Spike T19M Profile and Spec Explanation
I've tried it on M Nythendra with crit>>mastery gear and results were very subpar. Like 180-200k dps. Using Hellfreeze's rotation of only GS,proc-Flurry,FB. And ended up killing her with 290k in fire.
Idk, maybe I'm doing something wrond. I later rearranged artifact traits and checked on the dummy. It was ~210k dps which is pretty low. But I lack FB relics, maybe thats the case?
Idk, maybe I'm doing something wrond. I later rearranged artifact traits and checked on the dummy. It was ~210k dps which is pretty low. But I lack FB relics, maybe thats the case?
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