[BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)
Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)
Adding to your post Dutch, I found the breakpoints are also there with IF (which is what I've been running because it's more reliable). It's not as big of a deal with IF over RoP, but it's still a (simmed) ~50-150 dps gain for my gear (340 ilvl with a pretty mediocre stat budget) to go for the breakpoint:
With IF, crit vs haste enchants:
Haste scaling with IF and haste enchants:
WIth RoP, crit vs haste enchants:
Haste scaling with RoP and haste enchants:
You can clearly see that in both cases, haste scaling is very much non-linear. Also as usual with haste breakpoints, you can go slightly higher above the breakpoint in your stat of choosing since you won't be playing as perfectly as the sim.
With IF, crit vs haste enchants:
Haste scaling with IF and haste enchants:
WIth RoP, crit vs haste enchants:
Haste scaling with RoP and haste enchants:
You can clearly see that in both cases, haste scaling is very much non-linear. Also as usual with haste breakpoints, you can go slightly higher above the breakpoint in your stat of choosing since you won't be playing as perfectly as the sim.
Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)
Hey guys with the recent change to brainstorm I wanted to test a sim with a different rotation and all 3 traits set to brain storm.
Pretty much at the beginning of burn phase you evocate to get the intellect stacks, burn to 10% mana or so and start your conserve phase until evocation is back up.
I was suprised to see that my first edit to the action list actually increased my dps by a small margin. I was simming for 12439 with galv/galv/dagger and with the change and brain/brain/brain I got the sim to 12585
Heres the action list if anyone wants to see it or make improvements.
Pretty much at the beginning of burn phase you evocate to get the intellect stacks, burn to 10% mana or so and start your conserve phase until evocation is back up.
I was suprised to see that my first edit to the action list actually increased my dps by a small margin. I was simming for 12439 with galv/galv/dagger and with the change and brain/brain/brain I got the sim to 12585
Heres the action list if anyone wants to see it or make improvements.
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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)
Further than that, does Time Anomaly trigger Brain Storm? Sadly, I have no Azerite Gear with BS to test it.
If so: Since TA is near OP - dps-wise - with the recent BS change, TA could be better. Anyone who can confirm/deny this?
If so: Since TA is near OP - dps-wise - with the recent BS change, TA could be better. Anyone who can confirm/deny this?
Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)
Just tested it and it does not proc BS. Brain storm says "while channeling evocation". Time Anomaly says "gain evocation for 1 second". I believe since you aren't channeling with Time Anomaly it doesn't count for Brain Storm.Further than that, does Time Anomaly trigger Brain Storm? Sadly, I have no Azerite Gear with BS to test it.
If so: Since TA is near OP - dps-wise - with the recent BS change, TA could be better. Anyone who can confirm/deny this?
Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)
A few quick questions about the new brain storm burn/conserve:
- Do you case AM procs in the initial burn pre-AP/CDs?
- After your burn, evo, burn do you stop at 40% mana? And then just cast to 4 and barrage and burn back to 40%?
- Do you case AM procs in the initial burn pre-AP/CDs?
- After your burn, evo, burn do you stop at 40% mana? And then just cast to 4 and barrage and burn back to 40%?
Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)
I too have a question about the brain storm rotation: Do you evocate when your pull timer is at 6 seconds and begin the fight casting charged up into burn phase, or do you begin the fight normally, save arcane power and burn to 0, evocate, ap, and burn again?
Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)
You want to burn your mana on pull before evo. Since mana = damage, you want to spend it all before you evo to maximize dps
Reminds me of how fire works with fire starter and combustion. You delay your big cd until you can do the most with it. It’s what we’re doing with AP... waiting until we have the extra Int from BS to do lots of damage
Reminds me of how fire works with fire starter and combustion. You delay your big cd until you can do the most with it. It’s what we’re doing with AP... waiting until we have the extra Int from BS to do lots of damage
Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)
I've been evocating on the pull timer. I've been able to get my burn phase to 60k dps with heroism, though it is usually at 40k dps by the time AP is overI too have a question about the brain storm rotation: Do you evocate when your pull timer is at 6 seconds and begin the fight casting charged up into burn phase, or do you begin the fight normally, save arcane power and burn to 0, evocate, ap, and burn again?
Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)
not sure what "case AM procs" means, but once my AP is over and I cast my second rune of power I allow myself to start using my AM procs. After that I burn to 10% and only cast arcane barrage when I cant cast arcane blast.A few quick questions about the new brain storm burn/conserve:
- Do you case AM procs in the initial burn pre-AP/CDs?
- After your burn, evo, burn do you stop at 40% mana? And then just cast to 4 and barrage and burn back to 40%?
I still think galvanizing spark is king, but if you are cornered into brainstorm I think this is a way to make it viable
For example... with 3 brainstorms and the following action priority list I got the sim to 13331 dps (its updated so you evocate during pre combat and conserve_mana is set to 10%).
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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)
That's what I would think, but when I look at logs the number one parse for heroic taloc evocates on the pull timer and hard burns at the start. So I'm wondering if that opener works out better, perhaps it allows another evocate at the end?You want to burn your mana on pull before evo. Since mana = damage, you want to spend it all before you evo to maximize dps
Reminds me of how fire works with fire starter and combustion. You delay your big cd until you can do the most with it. It’s what we’re doing with AP... waiting until we have the extra Int from BS to do lots of damage
Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)
If you burn > ap/evo > conserve until cds are up > burn again you don't get everything synching perfectly on the pull, if you evo on pull you do and you get both your big cds back exactly at the same time so executing is easier. I'm not saying one or the other is better (need sims for that of course), just that evo on the pull with brain storm does make some sense when you think about it.
edit: also I ran some quick tests and it looks like those APLs which use Evo before AP with Brain storm are a dps loss for my character (using only 1x trait though). I guess you need 2 or even 3 sets of gear with Brain Storm for it to be worth using with AP.
edit: also I ran some quick tests and it looks like those APLs which use Evo before AP with Brain storm are a dps loss for my character (using only 1x trait though). I guess you need 2 or even 3 sets of gear with Brain Storm for it to be worth using with AP.
Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)
I mean't dont use AM procs, apologies.not sure what "case AM procs" means, but once my AP is over and I cast my second rune of power I allow myself to start using my AM procs. After that I burn to 10% and only cast arcane barrage when I cant cast arcane blast.A few quick questions about the new brain storm burn/conserve:
- Do you case AM procs in the initial burn pre-AP/CDs?
- After your burn, evo, burn do you stop at 40% mana? And then just cast to 4 and barrage and burn back to 40%?
I still think galvanizing spark is king, but if you are cornered into brainstorm I think this is a way to make it viable
For example... with 3 brainstorms and the following action priority list I got the sim to 13331 dps (its updated so you evocate during pre combat and conserve_mana is set to 10%).With the regular action set and all traits set to galvanizing spark I got the sim to 13416 dpsSpoiler:
But with this change to the APL, it sounds like its much more dps to evo pre-pull (so pre pot on 10, evo on 9 and precast AB on 2-3?) rather than burn at start -> evo -> cds
Also, the new APL burns down to 10% after the evo/cds phase? That seems extremely low, but i guess its easy to evo when it comes up then.
Why do you think galv spark is better? I have 3x BS and 3x GS traits with similar ilevels and BS sims higher with the APL change that Dutch pushed a few days ago.
Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)
Yeah you want to burn down so low because next time you burn you will evocate before hand. In the other APL you want to conserve at 60% because you were going to go into a straight burn phase so you needed the extra mana. Where can I find Dutch's APL? Just from my apl i figured galv+standard rotation was going to be better because you aren't sacrificing the mana gained from the starter evocate.I mean't dont use AM procs, apologies.not sure what "case AM procs" means, but once my AP is over and I cast my second rune of power I allow myself to start using my AM procs. After that I burn to 10% and only cast arcane barrage when I cant cast arcane blast.A few quick questions about the new brain storm burn/conserve:
- Do you case AM procs in the initial burn pre-AP/CDs?
- After your burn, evo, burn do you stop at 40% mana? And then just cast to 4 and barrage and burn back to 40%?
I still think galvanizing spark is king, but if you are cornered into brainstorm I think this is a way to make it viable
For example... with 3 brainstorms and the following action priority list I got the sim to 13331 dps (its updated so you evocate during pre combat and conserve_mana is set to 10%).With the regular action set and all traits set to galvanizing spark I got the sim to 13416 dpsSpoiler:
But with this change to the APL, it sounds like its much more dps to evo pre-pull (so pre pot on 10, evo on 9 and precast AB on 2-3?) rather than burn at start -> evo -> cds
Also, the new APL burns down to 10% after the evo/cds phase? That seems extremely low, but i guess its easy to evo when it comes up then.
Why do you think galv spark is better? I have 3x BS and 3x GS traits with similar ilevels and BS sims higher with the APL change that Dutch pushed a few days ago.
Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)
His APL change should be in Simcraft nightly now as a Brain Storm condition, it was added to it i think 2 nights ago?Yeah you want to burn down so low because next time you burn you will evocate before hand. In the other APL you want to conserve at 60% because you were going to go into a straight burn phase so you needed the extra mana. Where can I find Dutch's APL? Just from my apl i figured galv+standard rotation was going to be better because you aren't sacrificing the mana gained from the starter evocate.I mean't dont use AM procs, apologies.
not sure what "case AM procs" means, but once my AP is over and I cast my second rune of power I allow myself to start using my AM procs. After that I burn to 10% and only cast arcane barrage when I cant cast arcane blast.
I still think galvanizing spark is king, but if you are cornered into brainstorm I think this is a way to make it viable
For example... with 3 brainstorms and the following action priority list I got the sim to 13331 dps (its updated so you evocate during pre combat and conserve_mana is set to 10%).With the regular action set and all traits set to galvanizing spark I got the sim to 13416 dpsSpoiler:
But with this change to the APL, it sounds like its much more dps to evo pre-pull (so pre pot on 10, evo on 9 and precast AB on 2-3?) rather than burn at start -> evo -> cds
Also, the new APL burns down to 10% after the evo/cds phase? That seems extremely low, but i guess its easy to evo when it comes up then.
Why do you think galv spark is better? I have 3x BS and 3x GS traits with similar ilevels and BS sims higher with the APL change that Dutch pushed a few days ago.
For opener would it be better to prepot/evo at 6 seconds to pull so you waste no time of the brain storm buff? What does the APL do for pre pull evo?
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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)
Since charges removed on fight start, precasting AB is useless, I think you need start evo 6 sec before pull to get in fight with buff.But with this change to the APL, it sounds like its much more dps to evo pre-pull (so pre pot on 10, evo on 9 and precast AB on 2-3?) rather than burn at start -> evo -> cds
Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)
Yeah that's what the rank 1 parse did, then popped charged up, rune, arcane power, ab spamSince charges removed on fight start, precasting AB is useless, I think you need start evo 6 sec before pull to get in fight with buff.But with this change to the APL, it sounds like its much more dps to evo pre-pull (so pre pot on 10, evo on 9 and precast AB on 2-3?) rather than burn at start -> evo -> cds
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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)
Updated for Brainstorm rotation.
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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)
Question, when i use evocation 6 sec before pull, than charged up, when do i use arcane power? Its on the global cd and waisting time there.
What are the thoughts about it. Do i use it straight away or when de brain storm is over?
I am using a use trinket that gives me intellect and that is not on a global cd.
In my mind it is stupid that arcane power is on de global cd.
So i am wondering when to use it?
What are the thoughts about it. Do i use it straight away or when de brain storm is over?
I am using a use trinket that gives me intellect and that is not on a global cd.
In my mind it is stupid that arcane power is on de global cd.
So i am wondering when to use it?
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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)
Evocate -> charged up (make sure combat started) -> rune of power -> arcane power + any on-use trinkets & racials like berserking -> burn.Question, when i use evocation 6 sec before pull, than charged up, when do i use arcane power? Its on the global cd and waisting time there.
What are the thoughts about it. Do i use it straight away or when de brain storm is over?
I am using a use trinket that gives me intellect and that is not on a global cd.
In my mind it is stupid that arcane power is on de global cd.
So i am wondering when to use it?
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Re: [BfA] Arcane Mage Guide for Battle for Azeroth (8.0)
Hi.
If i use raidbots to sim my dps, does it automatically change to the brainstorm rotation if i have 2 or more brainstorm traits equipped? If not, how can i tell it to use the brainstorm rotation?
Asking because i have a piece of 340 shoulders with brainstorm (to get 2 brainstorms), or 355 shoulders with galvanize (to get 2 galvanizes), and i'm hoping to sim so i can find out which piece is better until i get my 3rd brainstorm or galvanize.
Thanks
If i use raidbots to sim my dps, does it automatically change to the brainstorm rotation if i have 2 or more brainstorm traits equipped? If not, how can i tell it to use the brainstorm rotation?
Asking because i have a piece of 340 shoulders with brainstorm (to get 2 brainstorms), or 355 shoulders with galvanize (to get 2 galvanizes), and i'm hoping to sim so i can find out which piece is better until i get my 3rd brainstorm or galvanize.
Thanks
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